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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:56:00 -0500

You may have noticed that Franklin Covey seems to have reduced the support for their website. I wonder if they are preparing to launch another site or version of software?

Anyone know?

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

**Not associated with Franklin Covey**
FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS (4.0-6.1/7.1):'93 PPPro:'97 2MB/IR Upgrade '99
I can also be found hanging around the sites listed and hotlinked in my profile.
I retain the Copyright to all my posts and emails. Copyright Myths exposed.

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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:25:00 -0500

On 4/2/00 10:56:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>You may have noticed that
>Franklin Covey seems to have
>reduced the support for their
>website. I wonder if they are
>preparing to launch another
>site or version of software?
>
>Anyone know?
>
>
>While just one opinion among
>many, I hope this information
>was helpful...
>Coe
>
>**Not associated with Franklin
>Covey**
>FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS
>(4.0-6.1/7.1):'93 PPPro:'97
>2MB/IR Upgrade '99
>I can also be found hanging
>around the sites listed and
>hotlinked in my profile.
>I retain the Copyright to all
>my posts and emails.
>Copyright Myths exposed.

Coe,

I thought Lisa said they were having network problems and that is why she could not get to the board. Have you heard different from other sources?

It is odd that they have been very absent.

???????

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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:12:00 -0500

On 4/3/00 2:25:00 PM, Joel Young wrote:

>Coe,
>
>I thought Lisa said they were having
>network problems and that is why she
>could not get to the board.

Yes, I have seen that public explanation.

>Have you
>heard different from other sources?

Actually, yes, from the horses mouth, so to speak.

>
>It is odd that they have been very
>absent.
>
>???????
>

It is odd that other FC Tech Support folks did not pick up the slack as they should have.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Anonymous
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:09:00 -0500

I always wondered where the good rumors hung out, and or got started

Not YKW

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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Anonymous
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:56:00 -0500

Oh wow. What an amazing discovery. The completed/forward syndrome from the Palm side's interface with the FPS.

Gee, we tried it here, and were able to duplicate it. We will forward that to the right department. What an astounding discovery.

(How did 7.3 manage to be out for almost 3 months without anyone discovering that till today???)

****Just trying to hold my FPS info together with a little chewing gum and bailing wire.****

Act always as if the information was just presented? How 'used car salesish'. Does FC really think that the user base is going to keep on swallowing this stuff?

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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:51:00 -0500

Gosh;

If someone is not careful, they are going to be labelled as being even more cynical about FPx than I am.....

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: FC Tech Support Missing in Non-Action
From: Anonymous
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:49:00 -0500

Cynical? The identification of Propaganda Disbursement is cynicism? Censorship is a rather effective tool. Ask Hitler, Musolini, and several others whom have seen results in their favor as a consequence.

Granted, the web-board is owned by, and therefore, can be regulated by the same. But as to credibility, they've squelched just about what little I've had left. Principles? Principled upon principle? It's economics, without identifying it's economics.

Instead of identifying the principles to work toward, they have a board with 1000's of request going in multiple directions. Instead of selecting a focus and directing efforts towards making it work (make the FPS work like the paper FPS for the most part) - as you've pointed out Coe, nice bells and whistles, too bad we can't have fun playing with them.

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Subject: Marketing SNAFU?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:31:00 -0500

Update: PPC's are now supported by FPO 1.4 - cwcjr

Once again, the FC marketing and catalog department seems to be out of sync with development and software releases.

The summer catalog is reported to include a Casio PocketPC that works with Franklin Planner Software/Franklin Planner for MicroSoft Outlook....

The currently released software does NOT work with PocketPC devices, only PalmPC WinCE devices.

Their forum (if they can keep it up - it was down again this afternoon) should certainly be lively on this subject!!!!!!

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:25:00 -0500

Well; my worst nightmares have been confirmed.

Axiom Technologies - the ones that (in at least one opinion) screwed up a fairly good and comprehensive Ascend 5.0 and turned it into the bug ridden (and for 4 years, now, bugs never seem to get fixed in favor of new buggy gadgets) Ascend 97 is doing FPO.... at least that is where the 1.4 beta is from...

Very very very disheartening. It very well may be time to throw in the towel.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:36:00 -0500

Well, Axiom Technologies is running, but, they still can't hide, just by changing their name...

KnowledgeTrack Professional Services Group.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:15:00 -0500

On 6/23/00 12:36:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>Well, Axiom Technologies is
>running, but, they still can't
>hide, just by changing their
>name...
>
>KnowledgeTrack Professional
>Services Group.

Actually, they have been bought by KnowledgeTrack. KT appears to have bought AXtech for their experience in developing palm apps (and renamed them). KT is big into B2B applications

IF KT CEO Jack Porter's luck continues and this company's management skills are brought to bear on the former Axtech and IF they stay in the business of writing apps for FC, then this might work out for the better for everyone. (lots of IFs).

For more info, see http://www.knowledgetrack.com/index.htm
http://www.bizjournals.com/eastbay/stories/2000/02/07/smallb1.html

(perhaps KT also bought AXtech in part to position itself for possible partnership with FC.)

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:38:00 -0500

On 5/26/00 12:25:00 AM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>Well; my worst nightmares have
>been confirmed.
>
>Axiom Technologies - the ones that (in at least one opinion)
>screwed up a fairly good and comprehensive Ascend 5.0 and
>turned it into the bug ridden (and for 4 years, now, bugs
>never seem to get fixed in favor of new buggy gadgets)
>Ascend 97 is doing FPO.... at least that is where the 1.4
>beta is from...

How well are the products generally regarded that AXtech develops for other companies?

Are the issues more with FC, AXtech or the communication between the two?

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:15:00 -0500

Back a while ago, I extensively toured the AXTECH site and it turns out that the A97 database seems to have been the kickoff core for some of their other products.

You get some sense of that by looking at the table names to determine what was AX core and what was added/developed for Franklin Quest FQ.

The bugs problem, in my opinion, and lack of success in getting them fixed lies with Axiom Tech, now KnowlegeTrack Professional Services Group.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:58:00 -0500

Now wait just a second here. Isn't that tantamount (wording correction) to decompiling, or reverse engineering software?

Merely observing the tables, and the usage within them, you might think they would at some point have straightened out the situation. If they are still supporting the MLM group, it almost appears as if they are trying to provide two products within one. If they are just forgot to clean up, doesn't that suggest sloppiness in that regard, and to what extent does it spill over into some of the other areas?

I keep reading more about Access, as a database management tool, and the term 'complex' seems to apply less and less to the situation at hand. Doing Solid Modeling, with the CAD software, seems to me a good definition of complex. Heaven forbid that the CAD software developers let data disappear from your 'database' (model).

- Question however, the 'General Date' function, continues to return dates in the '3800-3900's, was this changed? Seems it's tied to Jan 1, 0000 rather than the industry standard 1900 or 1904 -

. . . snipped . . .

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:29:00 -0500

On 6/28/00 8:58:00 PM, Greg Lewis wrote:
>Now wait just a second here.
>Isn't that paramount to

Tantamount.....

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Axiom Technologies doing FPO?
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:33:00 -0500

oops. Thanx. And the stickler I usually am for the verbosity of the English language, (although, in some ways, paramount might almost do! )

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:37:00 -0500

Well,

The end has come. I will not put FC apps on my new IIIc.

FC, in my opinion, has shown that it has an agenda, and preserving the integrity of the customer's/consumer's data is not high on that list. Several data loss issues were and still are allowed to persist in their current products which have now been on the market for a year for FPO and for 4 years for A97/FPS. They continuously seem to concentrate their efforts on new bells and whistles and only seem to fix bugs and data loss issues if it is convenient or related to the new feature.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:50:00 -0500

Don't know if that means you will no longer be providing Tech Support to the forum there. If not, they will probably be losing one of the most knowledgeble people I've come across in the realm of Franklin Products. - As for myself, and the familiarity with Franklin Planners, perhaps I'm stuck in my ways. I've been using it for years, and for the most part, it has worked ok, for the level to which I put it through it's paces, and quite frankly, too busy to try and port the D.B. into other software for test runs. - Would be interested in knowing what other product you are considering, if you're willing to share that here, or via a personal e-mail.

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:41:00 -0500

For the time being I am using Outlook that had FPO previously installed. So I have the computer side extensions. I do not use any of the Palm side FC apps.

On the Palm it is the standard suite installed by the Palm CD selecting the Sync to Outlook option. "PDTL" tasks on the computer sync to ToDo on the palm as priority 3.with a due date of the date that you have it on. Setting the Palm to not show completed ToDo's makes it pretty workable and any edits made on the Palm do go back to the computer at the next HotSync.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:38:00 -0500

The above is not strictly true, now. Something has changed, but, I am not at liberty to expand upon it. ;-)

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:30:00 -0500

On 6/26/00 8:38:00 AM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>The above is not strictly
>true, now. Something has
>changed, but, I am not at
>liberty to expand upon it.
>;-)

SO!
They got to you did they, those evil people??

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:42:00 -0500

Greek Alphabet.

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:22:00 -0500

Coe
You seem to have (or have had) problems with FC on many different levels. If this company (whose reputation was at one time hard to match) is not the one to give us what we need, who is? I down loaded the FPS trial and was seriously considering giving up the paper planner for a Palm, but with all of the problems I see on FC's web board and no other software that seems to have what FPS should have, I have changed my mind. Is there any hope that someone (FC or otherwise) will be able to integrate all of features needed to implement the WMM process into a software application?

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:44:00 -0500

On 7/19/00 2:22:00 PM, Gary McAdams wrote:
>Coe
>You seem to have (or have had)
>problems with FC on many
>different levels. If this
>company (whose reputation was
>at one time hard to match) is
>not the one to give us what we
>need, who is? I down loaded
>the FPS trial and was
>seriously considering giving
>up the paper planner for a
>Palm, but with all of the
>problems I see on FC's web
>board and no other software
>that seems to have what FPS
>should have, I have changed my mind.

Perhaps a bit hasty if you haven't tried it - don't you think? Yes, there are dissatisfied customers and you see many of them on the webboard. But there are also many satisfied customers.

I'm not coe, but I'll attempt to answer your questions regardless. A couple paragraphs of background are necessary.

I used a Franklink planner since 1993 or so.
Starting in fall 1996 I researched planners casually for 6 months and then waited another 6 for the palm pro to come out with Ascend. I had decided a palm pro was the only PDA that would meet my needs and Ascend at that time came closest to what I wanted in a planner. My parameters: had to have handwriting input, good storage capacity, no special training, uncomplicated software, no chicklet keyboard, TOTALLY portable to be with me everywhere. To get my money's worth, I had to store phonelist(s) and documents. Anything else, like calendar, tasks, etc, if they worked out, would be icing on the cake.

So I got a palm pro in spring 1997. I started very cautiously, explored Ascend, etc. I gave up the paper planner in 1997 within 1 month and never looked back (except for one very bad month around November 1997). I was skeptical enough that when I started I didn't think I'd be giving up the planner at all. Obviously I had not expected such a quick move.

Like coe I've had my problems and heartburn. Since spring 97 I've had my own run-ins with tech support, numerous suggestions to FC seemingly thrown to the wind, numerous instances of duplicate tasks, 1 scarey month without my palm and ascend database (cira november 1997 when my database got completely corrupted). I participated in one beta (for FPS, when the WMM stuff first came out)

(perhaps it helped to some extent) During the first year in fact, I hardly used Ascend at all, using the palm almost exclusively. To this day, I do not use the values and goals in ascend and I do not use the more recent WMM modules and wizards.

Still, it's been worth it. With all it's faults and the problems with FC, I don't yet feel the need to look elsewhere for a better package or better vendor.

BUT (big but) I don't use it to help make my living. I use it a hell of a lot, and hard, but if I had to rely on it for contact management I would definitely at least consider other packages.

>Is there any hope that
>someone (FC or otherwise) will
>be able to integrate all of
>features needed to implement
>the WMM process into a
>software application?

IF fc=axiom, then I would have to say I don't know of anyone near on the horizon.

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:37:00 -0500

Gary/Wayne;

Other than starting back in 88/89 with IBM Current then switching to Ascend 4.0 in 93, my time frames are similar. However, serious consequences resulted from the switch from a very smooth Ascend 5.0 daily routine and the printed planner to the forced conversion to A97 to be able to use the PPPro I got for Christmas.

Archives containing design decisions, customer direction, contract negotiation terms, etc. (as the principle technical engineer for a major military product) resulted in no end of heartache when the flaws in A97 archiving surfaced. VERY BAD TASTE left in the mouth. I still use the printed and ascii text file archives from Ascend 4.0 and 5.0.

Tolerance is the best I can describe it for usage of A97/FPS. There are 15 people at work that still use Ascend 5.0 and print their planner pages out, rather than upgrade after hearing the details on the flaws. Not a single one, besides me, has ever loaded A97 , etc, that did not take it off within a week and either go back to Ascend 5.0 or on to Palm DeskTop - if they had a planner - and third party s/w.

Let's not forget that for 9 months FC DENIED there was a problem with A97 6.1b/c in phone number corruption until users (ah, er, um) detailed and posted exactly how to do it, every time. THEN it came out they really knew about it for most of that time.

DRE dataloss at the HS range boundary is another one that was, er, ah, not followed up on until Greg Lewis and Brian Saylor help me define the cause and the solution. FC's first 'official' remedy would actually cause you to lose data (h/d hotsyncing).

Now we have unresolved DRE Archive data truncation, lost notes, ....... etc, etc, etc. They have lost all credibility in their desire as well as there ability to fix the bugs.

As far as beta test results not getting fixed before release........a little birdy (small English member of the Raven family with green head markings) just told me that they had received a 'thanks for finding these things but we cannot be sure that all of them will be fixed in the released version' pre-emptory warning notice for FPO 1.4, soooooooo, get ready folks!

You tell me who is going to provide an unqualified recommendation to embark on a time wasting experience for improving your daily efficiency?

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:39:00 -0500

I sent an email to Axiom asking about pricing of Axionline (not aware at the time that they do not sell to end consumers) and here is the response. I am curious why, if this software is as good as it looks on Axiom's site, is FC the only company (that I'm aware of)licensing it? Also why does FC not take full advantage of all the features that Axiom touts on their site?

"We currently license the product to DSA companies only and it is private labeled by them. The pricing is $75,000 licensing fee and a charge of $25 per copy if they wish to include the Franklin Covey components. In addition any changes that the company wishes to make would be billed at our current
billing rates. This license grants them an unlimited distribution license except for the Franklin Covey pieces. We currently do not sell the product directly to distributors because the product is based upon the fact that it links in to the corporate database. Please let me know if I explained the pricing sufficiently."

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:50:00 -0500

Unless Shaklee Products have discontinued their usage of Axiom Software, I think that may be an overbroad statement. As to the choice of distribution, that may be contractual between Axiom/FC Axiom/Shaklee etc.
I had thought of directing inquiries to Axiom but they are a contracted agency, and FC is ultimately responsible for the degree of integrity that Axiom is held up to. Our contract is with FC.
As Coe so aptly pointed out . . . and risking being slightly more blunt, FC's tech support has been replaced by an automaton with the following flow path . . . if suggestion, thank and redirect to appropriate community. if Axiom is mentioned, delete (unless of course and this can be confirmed with a search) it has to do with the registry and fixing one of A.T's problems . . . - if neither of the above, try not to flounder too badly.

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:17:00 -0500

Good points as to why FC did not pick up on the other modules. Particularly the contact management, since everyone was screaming for it.

Another interesting twist was FC being 'absolute' that A97/FPS was not group-ware. In reality, according the corporate database statement, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE!!! Which if you had looked at the fields and the database structure, you already knew that. FC just ah, er, um fibbed?? and choose not to implement the features. (Actually at 6.1 they said they were going to but implied they had problems... Palm HotSyncing would be a reasonable guess.)

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Anonymous
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:24:00 -0500

Wow, what a thought. Just get a copy of the Unlimited Distribution components from one of those companies and then integrate the FPS stuff, or better and more streamlined, A97 (bet the phone number corruption did not last long without getting fixed in the Contact Management module!!!!!!!!)....

Neat. The database pointer is just a registry key.....

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Subject: Bye Bye FPx. Not worth the DATA LOSS
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:00:00 -0500

I'm throwing in the towel too. I've had to spend to much time managing the software and losing to many notes. I also find that FPS is really a cumbersome setup to use even if it worked the way it is supposed to.

As far as the paper planning end of things are concerned, I don't want to buy a CD to print my forms. I like the convenience of printed forms, so I guess it is back to Daytimers and their 2 page a day reference format which is basicly the same as the Franklin Planner anyway.

Not much else is left of Franklin Covey that interests me so good bye all it's been fun.

Jay Downing

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Subject: FC trying to hide developer????
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:00:00 -0500

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:26:46 -0600 [.....] writes:
>Coe,
>
>We have removed the following post that was submitted earlier today by you:
>
>"from www.axtech.com
>
>Axiom Technologies Acquired by KnowledgeTrack Corporation >-----
>...
>Franklin Covey made a strategic decision to outsource the development of Ascend® so it could focus on marketing the product. Franklin needed to partner with a company that would keep Ascend® on the leading edge of technology while maintaining the level of quality to which its customers were accustomed. "Our core competency is in marketing and supporting quality training and time management tools for our customers," said Randy Linnell, Director of Technology Products at Franklin Covey. "We needed to partner with a company that has vast experience in developing leading edge software for a mass market." ....
>----------
>
>IOW: Franklin Covey doesn't do software!
>
>----------"
>
We need to be careful of what is being said ...... And so we ask that any further posts be designed for discussions on Product Announcements and Technical Support issues that directly relate to Franklin Covey Technology Products and not about our Vendors\Partners.
>
>[.....]
>Franklin Covey Product Support

[FC];

1) It IS directly related to your technology products, they are still doing FC's FP software as inferred by the statements found on their website.

2) It is published information on their website stating a relationship with FC.

3) It is a quote from a member of the FC TPTB on Franklin's Technology product philosophy.

It IS a relevant post.

Has the philosophy changed from that quoted?

Coe

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Subject: FC trying to hide developer????
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:18:00 -0500

Well, they responded to your post. I did a search and came up with the following, which for whatever was removed, (censorship???-the last BBS bulletin board I belonged to signed it's death-warrant when it started tinkering with the posts.) -

*********************************************
Franklin Covey (FRANKLINCOVEY-DOM)
2200 W. Parkway Blvd.
Salt Lake City, UT 84119
US

Domain Name: FRANKLINCOVEY.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
Hostmaster (HO8275-ORG) hostmaster@FRANKLINCOVEY.COM
Franklin Covey Co.
2200 W Parkway Blvd
Salt Lake City, UT 84119
US
801.817.1776

Record last updated on 28-Mar-2000.
Record expires on 26-Jan-2001.
Record created on 24-Jan-1997.
Database last updated on 25-Jun-2000 16:34:55 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

DBRU.BR.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 199.191.128.106
DMTU.MT.NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET 12.127.16.70
*********************************************
Franklin Covey Co (PLANNER11-DOM)
2200 West Parkway Blvd.
Salt Lake City, UT 84119
US

Domain Name: PLANNER.COM

Administrative Contact:
Moore, Rob (RMY144) webmaster@DAYTRACKER.COM
Franklin Covey Co.
2200 West Parkway Blvd.
Salt Lake City , UT 84119
310-375-8584 (FAX) 310-375-3645
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Powell, Tim (TPX60) tapowe@FRANKLINCOVEY.COM
Franklin Covey Co.
2200 West Parkway Blvd.
Salt Lake City , UT 84119
801-817-4309 (FAX) 801-496-4160
Billing Contact:
Moore, Rob (RMA278) rdmoor@FRANKLINCOVEY.COM
Franklin Covey Co.
466 West 4800 North
Provo , UT 84604
801-496-4149 (FAX) 801-496-4160

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From the above list, (not sure if this is what is being driven at) it would appear that DayTracker is merely Hosting www.planner.com

What has this to do with technology? Well, if the intention is to permit synchronizing with the web-based planner, perhaps much. Somehow, the thought of leaving someone else in charge of caring for my data, etc, is more than I think I'm willing to go. - - - Enjoy, and speculate at will.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FPx rights not owned by FC?????
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:24:00 -0500

http://www.axionline.com/whataol.html

Looks like proof that FC does not actually own the rights to the s/w, Axiom Technologies does. A97/FPS style screens and a true contact manager- now why with all the shouting for contact management didn't FC simply point users to axionline? You still get PDTL, MTL, DROE, etc.... Hmm seems like nothing particularly FC unique about those apps in real life!

Also explains why we could never get FC to work with undupe or any other developer.... it looks like it is Axiom Technologies (now Knowledge Track Professional Services Group) that has to give the ok.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Product visibility on Palm sites
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:58:00 -0500

(Unless I'm gravely mistaken, my original post got deleted on the FC webboard - I've been bounced! So, here I am.)

I find it curious to say the least that FC products are distinctly absent from the world 's two premier palm sites - palmgear.com and palmos.com

Does FC have marketing restrictions on FPS and FPO that don't permit them to be listed on other sites?

Or are there other reasons for their absence?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Product visibility on Palm sites
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0500

On 7/19/00 11:58:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>(Unless I'm gravely mistaken,
>my original post got deleted
>on the FC webboard - I've been
>bounced! So, here I am.)
>
>
>I find it curious to say the
>least that FC products are
>distinctly absent from the
>world 's two premier palm
>sites - palmgear.com and
>palmos.com
>
>Does FC have marketing
>restrictions on FPS and FPO
>that don't permit them to be
>listed on other sites?
>
>Or are there other reasons for
>their absence?

They have restrictions, only with their other "partners". Most noteably Axiom Technologies (now KnowledgeTrack Professional Services Group) and fusionOne.

That is one reason why any post mentioning them is deleted.... or so I am told.

Actually, if it really got around that A97 and FPS had premier Contact Management already integrated via Axionline and FQ/FC withheld that information from their customers........

Not a pretty thought.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Product visibility on Palm sites
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:58:00 -0500

(Unless I'm gravely mistaken, my original post got deleted on the FC webboard - I've been bounced! So, here I am.)

I find it curious to say the least that FC products are distinctly absent from the world 's two premier palm sites - palmgear.com and palmos.com

Does FC have marketing restrictions on FPS and FPO that don't permit them to be listed on other sites?

Or are there other reasons for their absence?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Product visibility on Palm sites
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0500

They have restrictions, only with their other "partners". Most noteably Axiom Technologies (now KnowledgeTrack Professional Services Group) and fusionOne.

That is one reason why any post mentioning them is deleted.... or so I am told.

Actually, if it really got around that A97 and FPS had premier Contact Management already integrated via Axionline and FQ/FC withheld that information from their customers........

Not a pretty thought.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:51:00 -0500

You asked, so ....

I do not recommend FPx to anyone. Those that have already paid, I try my best to support with the knowledge and experience I have. I also provide fair evaluations, feedback, and comments when asked. Franklin Covey is apparently not the author of the software. Starting with Ascend 97, the software has been written by Axiom Technologies which was recently sold to Knowledge Track and is now known as KnowledgeTrack Professional Services Group. If you explore around www.axtech.com and www.axionline.com, you will find a statement by a director at FC that they don't do software, they do marketing, seminars, and planners so they enlisted Axiom Technologies to do the s/w.

What you will also discover, is that although the users of A97 and FPS were screaming for years that they wanted better contact management. The users were apparently lied to by FC that they were considering it. In point of fact, it had already been incorporated into the "A97" engine and database, however, as an Axiom Technologies product!!!! FC intentionally deletes any reference to AT/KTPSG, seemingly, just to continue to hide how poorly they treated their customers.

Another indicator of their apparent lack of commitment is the bugs. Some of these go back to the foundations of A97 and still are not fixed. FC has no apparent commitment except to sell product. On rare occasions the uproar was strong enough (and apparently not by the external customers, but seemingly only because of the managers at FC that use it) that something got fixed. As I noted before on the forum, they probably do not depend on word of mouth or advertising, they could sucker the folks straight out of their great seminars. By the time many of them find out how much time it will waste to try and use the software, they are already stuck.

Understand that normally in arrangements that the software is contracted out, the support staff has no experience nor 'ownership' in the code. They are very good and try their best, but, to really get at the heart of the problem probably involves an intercompany contract to get someone to look at it. The arrangement also appears to have impeded the cooperation with third party palm and report generator companies, since it appears Axiom has been VERY possesive of anything that learned to interact with the database.

Add another apparent hidden agenda in that MicroSoft Outlook 2K has a default export format for tasks (if you select Access and select to export to a pre-existing Access 97 mdb file) that IS, repeat IS the same fields in the same order as the FPS PDTL Tasks table. Why? Over half the fields used by Ascend/FPS are not even contained in Outlook and over half the fields that Outlook Tasks have for each record are not importable to A97/FPS? What deal has MS struck with AT/FC????

As for opinions, I do not believe FPS will be offered for new sale much longer. Probably only a few months after FPO 2.x is released. The same stunt is probably about to be pulled with FPS/FPO1.x that was pulled with A97. Whatever Craig Pyle manages to get for fixes to FPS 7.3 will probably be the end. FPO 2.0 will be a $$$$ upgrade with some new bells and whistles to integrate fully into Outlook/Office 2000. Users will have to fork out more $$$$ to get the new version.

Certainly I would not commit until the new product is out and you have a chance to minimize the losses. The refusal of AT/KTPSG/FC to cooperate with third parties is inexcusable. They apparently do not have the resources to produce and support a quality product, but, can keep asking their long time supporters to shell out more money.

FC tech support personnel are generally great. However, FC as a software company has shown itself to me to be untruthful, condescending, unresponsive, secretive of its real relationships for software authorship, and worst of all 'casual' about their users data loss caused by known bugs (that in history they denied until the users forced them to admit it.)

Yes, I am still using pieces of FPS and FPO, because for me it has not been worth changing and Ascend 5 had me so engrained that I just didn't change. Other motivations probably played a part, also.

I would investigate using other tools that are FAR more flexible and learn to apply the WMM philosophy to their use. There used to be a post on the ~2 board for the s/w to use to do it, but, FC probably purged it.

You might also notice the timing of when they FINALLY indicate they may actually do something with FPS---- AFTER they have finished with FPO 1.4? Not enough committed resources to be able to maintain both, simultaneously????

I would be harsher, but, my skirts are not lily white either. To be blunt, when I bought the Palm IIIc, I commited to quit actively using FPx on the Palm. I had used A97/FPS for years and had already loaded FPO on my work machine. I switched back to using FPS for the Palm, because it was more stable. I was going to chuck it all for Palm DeskTop and third party apps. But, a test version of FPO became available to try and I have since gone back to FPO, but only the basics. I do not use the WMM wizards, since the equivalent of the FPS DPT and WPT are non-existent or very weak. There are some significant improvements in usability, but, some features that were totally broke. The question being, what will make it to the final release? If much is missing, I will complete the exit. The lack of data archiving to a non-proprietary format will weigh heavily in the decision.

Also, .... They always step up their censorship first. Been that way for several years. (BTW: in case you have not noticed, it has started again, they are about to issue a new release)

Good Luck
Coe

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:15:00 -0500

On 7/31/00 5:51:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>...

coe - thanks for all this insight.

>Add another apparent hidden agenda in that MicroSoft
>Outlook 2K has a default export format for tasks (if
>you select Access and select to export to a pre-existing
>Access 97 mdb file) that IS, repeat IS the same fields in
>the same order as the FPS PDTL Tasks table. Why? Over half
>the fields used by Ascend/FPS are not even contained in
>Outlook and over half the fields that Outlook Tasks have
>for each record are not importable to A97/FPS? What
>deal has MS struck with AT/FC????

Interesting. What deal indeed!?!
After 2+ years of all kinds of requests all we have is *at best* non-information from FC about getting other products to interoperate with FPS/FPO. Now, apparent collusion with M$?

>As for opinions, I do not believe FPS will be offered
>for new sale much longer. Probably only a few months
>after FPO 2.x is released. The same stunt is probably
>about to be pulled with FPS/FPO1.x that was pulled
>with A97. Whatever Craig Pyle manages to get for fixes to
>FPS 7.3 will probably be the end. FPO 2.0 will be a $$$$
>upgrade with some new bells and whistles to integrate
>fully into Outlook/Office 2000. Users will have to fork
>out more $$$$ to get the new version.

I have absolutely no interest in Outlook - not to mention the fact that O2k is HUGE! And if FC makes this move and does not provide a reasonable upgrade option to FPO then the gloves will be off.

Questions:
1. is FPO 'fully functional' on it's own without outlook?
2. is there anything FPS has that FPO does not?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:58:00 -0500

Wayne,

In answer to your first question, FPO cannot stand alone without OL98 or OL2k. Coe can better respond to your second question.

FWIW, Given the lack of movement/support by FC, I switched from FPO back to PocketMirror a while ago and have had no problems what so ever. I do not plan to try any more future version of FPx ever. My system works well so why *IU.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 07:56:00 -0500

Wayne;

Yes. FPS has several additional functions for tracking, but, Outlook provides some (not all) of these without FPO added.

Coe

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:43:00 -0500

Is there a PIM that allows for the same date/priority control that FC software/principles support?

Not that I've found.

And with that said, I still use FC products until I can find something as effective for time management.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 19:35:00 -0500

I'll tell you what, there is a lot of stuff out there to wade through. Although, I'll say right now, I've not looked at every one, I've downloaded, installed, and poked around a few, and see there are many different approaches to what seems to be about the same thing.

From as complex as PIM Pro from Multisource, (yes that's www.com), to some post it note approach offered by ZDNet users. Soft-Q is another one that looked interesting until I got it installed, and started poking about in it.

I honestly don't know if it's 10 years of habit building approach or what, but even as I looked at some of the other paper systems, they seemed to at least look adaptable to what I've been doing.

Anytime Deluxe 7 just came out. It doesn't look near as robust as I've come to enjoy, (I've got to concentrate on work, not whether my planner is working or not.) The to-do list looks pretty straight forward 1,2,3 prioritize and due dates. There are no Red Tabs equiv's that I see (I don't like the way they've been re-arranged), nor Master Task list it would appear. It looks as if you can download your holidays, based on what your location is set to within your computer (kinda snoopy, if you ask me)

ZDNet ran something on organizers several months ago, which I stumbled on not long ago, failed to make the URL reference, but compared ACT, Outlook, FPS/Ascend (don't recall which offhand), and a couple of others. On their 5 star rating, FPS was given a 4 I believe.

If you guy's want to be kept abreast of my search, I'll be happy to take the time to update as I move forward. If not, let me know, and I will not waste any more bandwidth with my two cents.

Quote from Coe from the other board,
. . .I KNOW you don't want that other place (that now has its own .com) to be their only 24/7 alternative. (Honest, I did NOT ask Matt to do that!)

Do you suppose anyone at FC follows any of this?

btw, Coe, quite the impression you've made.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:47:00 -0500

On 8/7/00 7:35:00 PM, Greg Lewis wrote:
......

Do
>you suppose anyone at FC
>follows any of this?

Well, As a manager I can look at the logs and see the actual URL that is accessing the board, even for guests..... I'll leave it at that ;-)

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:20:00 -0500

On 8/7/00 7:35:00 PM, Greg Lewis wrote:
>If you guy's want to be kept abreast of my
>search, I'll be happy to take the time to update as I move
>forward. If not, let me know, and I will not waste any more
>bandwidth with my two cents.

In a word - YES.
Your insight would be helpful - you are clearly searching and spending quality time on this - sorry, the pay ain't great.

Let me say why I'm still with FPS
1) I don't need a wiz-bang contact manager
2) my top priority when I finally decided on FPS was to commit to a package to last me at least 2,3,4 years - I don't have time now to look at packages and even think of moving volumes of data to another system
3) it's been stable enough for me (thinking back to the 6.1c days) that I can stick with it - though the GDI/user memory loss issue under win9x bugs the heck out of me - guess it's an MS-access issue.

If any of the above were not true - I'd be actively looking for a system that has a clear corporate path of upgrades and longevity.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:37:00 -0500

I just upgraded to FPS 7.3; from the posts I've read here, and the fact that the FC message board has been locked down, it looks like my timing was just a bit off.

I'm planning on making the most of it (quirks and all), because I still am a believer in the 'FC way' and from what I've seen, FPS is the best (albeit flawed) software manifestation of that way. [the fact that I just upgraded everything is of course also a factor... 8\ ]

I'm holding out a bit of hope -- but not my breath -- that FC will continue to develop FPS in a positive direction.

Michael Strother 1996-2000: USRobotics PalmPilot 1000 & Ascend 5->'97
2000-?: Handspring Visor Deluxe & FPS 7.3
Work: Solution Developer, FirstMatter LLC
Offline: Hang gliding (Falcon 170) , mountain biking (StumpJumper )

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:52:00 -0500

The FC site, may think that revealing various issues within their software will ward off potential users.

Most individuals who are introduced to FC methodology, who see the potential, and having reviewed any of the other packages out there available, I think would come of the same mind set.

While I have to tailor some of how I think the software ought work, and use it the way its been identified to work (the manual or help within FPS vs. the way it really works), until I find something that fulfills the dynamics FPS provides, I too have much time invested into the current program.

FPS needs to make sure that it stay's in the forefront of time management software/paper ware etc., and not try to wrap itself about the whims of the customer base.

If they build it, they will come.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Someone asked for my thoughts....
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:44:00 -0500

Do you recall what the other software mentioned on the FC board consisted of? I remember several mentions of Life Balance and some others that I can't recall. Any others that you have heard good things about?
Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.FCsaid
Subject: FC Closes the 'open' forum
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:28:00 -0500

Posted by FC 8/1/00

Deleted
Oh, well, this forum is still here....

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC Closes the 'open' forum
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:50:00 -0500

And their Censorship marches on when challenged for direction and clarification.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC Closes the 'open' forum
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:47:00 -0500

One possible response, is that of no response. I could be mistaken, but it seems that the individuals for the most part that are being censored the hardest, are incidently the ones that also provide the most assistance to the technical support.

Just a thought, but if there are no post to remove, it might make it a little more difficult on their behalf, but what do I know

In other words, abstainence from posting in total, or just limit posts to inquiries, and permit their tech support to continue to just forward the suggestions to the appropriate circular file.

I don't know. I discovered the forum about a year ago. I thought it was pretty neat. Now I don't know. Would I have the same opinion of F.C. without the influence of unmentioned individuals?

Just my 2 cents worth for the moment.

Then again, that might be precisely what they desire.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC Closes the 'open' forum
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:12:00 -0500

On 8/2/00 10:47:00 AM, Greg Lewis wrote:
>One possible response, is that
>of no response.

It would seem that will soon be SOP, at least as far as the forums are concerned. It is clear they are going to limit postings to those which THEY deem to be a support issue, minus opinions, perhaps even editing the postings, etc.

We will have to see just how they implement it - until then all we can do conjecture and speculate.

Perhaps their support may be enhanced through this new structure, because clearly they have had trouble at times determining what postings have been responded to or had correct or adequate response.

>I don't know. I discovered the forum about a
>year ago. I thought it was pretty neat. Now I don't know.
>Would I have the same opinion of F.C. without the influence
>of unmentioned individuals?

In some cases, I don't think we're tainting too many existing users with things they don't already know.

One would think part of what is driving the change is from a corporate, marketing and even support perspective, is FC can't possibly like the tone, deservedly or not, that periodically pervades forums and could turn off new and potential customers.

Just look at how quickly the posts got deleted like those about AXtech - we rarely saw tech questions get answered as fast as these postings of fact got yanked!

Long term outlook to me is scary. I don't think FC is well served by their silence on these issues. And their constant (or at best inconsistent) inability to communicate their corporate plans and thoughts in a way that makes people feel good is bad business.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Survey Request
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:48:00 -0500

Whoa, good morning email. - The irony, that I see, is that suggestions keep coming in from their boards. And keep getting forwarded to their proper departments. Is this just more blue smoke and mirrors?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Survey Request
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:54:00 -0500

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. . . I'd like to register a complaint . . . (ha, ha, Admin FCPSForum)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Survey Request
From: Admin FCPSForum <fcpsforum@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:00:00 -0500

On 8/4/00 5:54:00 AM, Greg Lewis wrote:
>Oh yeah, I almost forgot. . .
>I'd like to register a
>complaint . . . (ha, ha, Admin
>FCPSForum)

Please feel free to use this forum's Host service,

http://www.complaints.com

If you supply an email address for the company, a copy will be sent to that address as well as being posted.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: PalmPower mag article
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:13:00 -0500

Be sure to check out the PowerBoard postings, too!

http://www.palmpower.com/issues/issue200008/covey001.html

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: That's odd.
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:59:00 -0500

Poking around a variety of things. Been looking at a number of PIM's. Perhaps someday I'll post a list of them.

Some users have inquired about group-ware of FPS. Some users have noted FPS seems to be a derivitave of Axiom Technologies software, which happened to have been a 'group-ware' product. - In the rush of it all, from the FPS help menu . . .and I quote

"10 Click the Private box if you do not want this record to appear in your Address and Phone List view."

Incidently, unless the 'Address and Phone List view' is something other than hitting the little phone icon, the name still appears in the list. My bet is the private button, is to keep the number from appearing to 'other users' in a group environment, and that FPS is a hack and slash of that product. They never removed the private button from the phone list.

Just another analytical observation.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Did I miss something?
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:55:00 -0500

Did I miss an announcement that Chad was departing the forum and that Ric was taking over? I see Ric has already learned how to use the delete thread function.

Thanks

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Did I miss something?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:23:00 -0500

do we know if Chad is still with electronic products - or did he go to some other 'division' of FC?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Did I miss something?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:11:00 -0500

On 8/9/00 11:23:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>do we know if Chad is still
>with electronic products - or
>did he go to some other
>'division' of FC?
>

He did not respond to my AOL IM to him, today. That is unusual for him. I do not know.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:04:00 -0500

Let me start out by saying, after looking at some of these 'methodologies', I gain a greater sense of respect for Ben Franklin, and of course Hirum Smith for identifying, and integrating the principles which have helped place a greater sense of order in my life.

(Right click to select 'Open in new window')
http://www.multisource.com/indexmultisource.shtml

MultiSource developer

PIM Pro2000 SRP-$189.95 Download Purchase Price $79.95

This software looked nice on the web. I downloaded it, and installed it without incident. (I've not tried uninstalling it yet.) It offers a 30 day trial period.

It installs several icons,
Alarm
Business Manager
Contact Manager
Data Manager
File Cabinet Manager
Phone Dialer
Phone Log
PIM Pro Help
PIM Pro Manager
Planner
Sync Data
System Information
Uninstall PIM Pro

First off, the alarm manager lets you set an alarm to go off at any specified time. Took a couple of tries to change the date and time, but again, simple enough.

The business manager gave me an error shortly after starting it. Showing me that the more complex the software, the more likely to overlook a possibility.

After restarting the program, I began to just add some names and companies, and continue to run into little quirks. The window that popped up looked as if it wanted information for something other than the area I was trying to fill in. Sure enough, trying anyway, when I hit the enter button, the screen flickered and blinked, and I was presented with a new window for entering information. This time it looked right and took it.

Flipping over to the planner menu, I've added some tasks. The priorites take numbers, from 1-6 color coded to 999,999.

Once again, an error message closes the window. Alas, the search goes on . . .

This looks like a nice attempt, but considering the nature of the beast, based on this one, I'll still have to say, despite some of the issues with FPS, I'll stick with it. I'm not really interested in trading familiar woes, with undiscovered ones, and only poking around in it for the short time I have, suggest that there are perhaps more bugs to discover. One thing I will gain out of all of this, is viewing the variety of interfaces, and organization, which perhaps will assist me with a project of my own some day.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:25:00 -0500

Hmmm... wish FC would listen. One reason FPS should not stop where its at.

FPO is NOT the way I want to go.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:49:00 -0500

Do you realize what that implies? Are you saying what I think you're saying?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:54:00 -0500

On 8/12/00 11:49:00 AM, Greg Lewis wrote:
>Do you realize what that
>implies? Are you saying what I
>think you're saying?

What, that FPS is 'dead' or that I am using FPO? Both are, in my opinion , currently true.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:47:00 -0500

I'm not endorsing this product, which I have never used; just something I stumbled across that people might want to check out:

EasyNoter

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Anonymous
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:12:00 -0500

Mike; I edited your post to add the Target=new to the link so that it does not try and stay in the messages frame.

FCPS Admin

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:04:00 -0500

Cute PIM, but no Palm support that I can find.
Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:36:00 -0500

From looking at the Query thread in the Open Forum, Palm connectivity seems to be a key issue. Don't get me wrong. I like my palm for handling some things, but the desktop seems where I do most of my intensive stuff. The palm carries it around, and makes periodic additions, when I've computer access. I've never tried the Palm Desktop, but after reviewing the above list, I may have to take a look at it. Especially, if the linking mechanism described can be adapted for project managining as well, which to me seems the area where FPS seems to be giving me the biggest challenge.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 05:45:00 -0500

One of the problems may be that FC went to a company that had its OWN competing/complimentary product and it used the same database and structures. Hence, no enhancements that directly compete (Contact Management) nor any cooperation with any third-party that would need to have the details of manipulating the database.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:58:00 -0500

On 8/23/00 5:45:00 AM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>One of the problems may be
>that FC went to a company that
>had its OWN
>competing/complimentary
>product and it used the same
>database and structures.
>Hence, no enhancements that
>directly compete (Contact
>Management)

I'm not sure on the contact mgmt point - seemed they were seriously soliciting opinions on whether to go in that direction a year or so ago.

>cooperation with any
>third-party that would need to
>have the details of
>manipulating the database.

seems to be true, unfortunate and rediculous

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:26:00 -0500

On 8/23/00 6:58:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
....
>I'm not sure on the contact mgmt point -
>seemed they were seriously soliciting
>opinions on whether to go in that
>direction a year or so ago.

Yep, just like they kept encouraging and soliciting your problems and suggestions for the next A97 6.1c bug fix update, huh?

Something like:
Act concerned,
remember to continue to Act concerned the next time you see/hear from them,
be sure to say you are considering all options and looking into it when asked,...

.....The next planning meeting you attend, be sure and Laugh when it is mentioned.

As I recall, which could be in error, A person that claimed to be a former employee posted on the FC forum that is very similar to what was done re: Palm support for the MAC. True? Who knows? Does it fit the historical observation? .... ;-)

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Deleted user
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:44:00 -0500

I myself, having given up on FPO, have been looking for replacements to the Franklin apps on the Palm, and I found at least what I believe FC should have done for the DRE module.

http://www.natara.com/DayNotez/index.cfm

DayNotez is an application that allows me to create daily notes on my Palm like the DRE application. Being a long time paper planner user, what I missed is the ability to mark to do items in the paper DRE, and then reference (or index) the PDTL items like this:

(1) 9/28 Call stockbroker about account.

The DRE items in the FPO software just got sync'ed to Outlook, and then I usually lost track of them.

With DayNotez, I can create text like above in a note, select the text, and then export the text straight to the To Do application. If the selected text has more than one line in it (a hard return in the text), the first line is the title of the to do item, and the rest of the text is attached to the to do item as a note.

Now I do not have to copy to do items from my FPO DRE palm application to the PDTL/MTL application by hand or retyping.

Now if I could just find a PDTL application replacement I would have everything...

NOTE: I am not affliated with Datara software in any way, I just am really impressed with the software.

For what its worth, my replace set of applications are:

DateBk4 - Calendar
ToDo+ - PDTL / MTL
DayNotez - DRE
pEditPro - LONG notes and messages
Arranger - Values / Roles / Goals

Roger E. Wichmann
wichmann.roger@mayo.edu

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:19:00 -0500

Outstanding information.

I, too, loved the old Ascend 4/5 capability to index easily and to copy/paste to create PDTL, Journal, Index entries.... etc.

Thanks.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

**Not associated with Franklin Covey**
FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS (4.0-6.1/7.3(3/8)):'93
PPPro:'97 2MB/IR Upgrade '99, Palm IIIc:'00 FPO (1.1-1.4):'00 DayTracker/FPC:'00
I can also be found hanging around the sites listed and hotlinked in my profile.
I retain the Copyright to all my posts and emails. Copyright Myths exposed.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Deleted user
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:01:00 -0500

And in my past life being a programmer, and having the CodeWarrior development environment for Palm on order, I will write my own PDTL and MTL applications myself.

If the software is then buggy I have nobody to blame but myself...

Roger Wichmann
wichmann.roger@mayo.edu

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:11:00 -0500

Hmmm... may wish to collaborate. Similar background and I got the Palm Apps programming book and s/w development cd as my free gift (for all my WebBoard support) from O'Reilly!
;-)

Might even want to turn it into a Forum based effort (Michael already offered assistance) that we could work through a private conference on this board....
Just a thought.....

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:43:00 -0500

Which may be why the competitors products profile has been suffering lately. - Not lack of programs, but a realization, that Hirum Smith laid out a 'philosophy' years ago, - and most of what I've seen, have been short of electronic post-it notes, to-do lists and calendars which let you put the birthdays and anniversaries on it.

Lurking most of the time. Been too busy researching lately. This is starting to be fun, watching some things come together here.

PDA Toolbox? vs. Code Warrior? I thought code warrior was Macintosh ware. Sound's more like Pilot Ware. I've been eyeballing the PDA Toolbox, thinking the integer bug may be resolved by the time I'm ready to work with it. (First things first)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Deleted user
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:50:00 -0500

CodeWarrior produces a toolkit for the Palm environment:

http://www.codewarrior.com/products/palm/

This is one path I have looked at for development. The other path is to use the GNU C/C++ environment for Palm.

http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/gcc/

If the application needs a conduit for hotsynching:

http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/cdk/win/

I have the conduit kit and I am starting to play with this.

As far as making this a WEB effort, I would love to do this. I spent way to many hours trying to get the FPO stuff to work, with little luck and lots of data lost. I got tired of asking for fixes to seemlingly simple issues, so I am ready to write my own.

Roger Wichmann
wichmann.roger@mayo.edu

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:22:00 -0500

Roger,

Thanks for the tip. I'm looking into the Java CDK.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Competitors Products
From: Anonymous
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 07:53:00 -0500

Sounds like it is time to set up a Private conference for developers. Someone will have to do that when they get back in country.....

Too busy with Keith, right now.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Quest?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:43:00 -0500

Hey, an interesting site.

http://www.automationquest.com

Really interesting since it is directly competing with Axiom Online... or is it???

Only interesting, of course, when you realize all the hype sounds VERY Franklin QUESTish, like from before the merger.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Quest?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:50:00 -0500

But doesn't look like anything there for the handhelds.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:27:00 -0500

If given a TODO application that worked with Palm Desktop, and allowed you to emulate the "Franklin" prioritizing style (Date control, priority control, processing codes)... Would you drop all the other software that FC provides and go with the "standard" Palm software?

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All posts copyrighted... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:44:00 -0500

Yes

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:09:00 -0500

On 8/22/00 11:44:00 AM, Joel Young wrote:
>Yes

Me, Too

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: John Smith <jcsmith2@pdq.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:57:00 -0500

On 8/22/00 12:09:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>On 8/22/00 11:44:00 AM, Joel Young
>
Immediately.

John C. Smith

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:07:00 -0500

This looks like something along the idea of what your talking about.

http://www.palmplanning.com/productv/articles/tm-philos.htm

Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:20:00 -0500

I have been tweaking DateBk4 to do what FPS does for a task list. First of all for priority control I am using 1 for A priority items, 3 for B priority items and 5 for C priority. Then when I enter a task I put 4 spaces in before I enter any text(On the Palm this idea works best when using a large font), then when it comes time to add the numerical ordering to each priority it is easy to add a hyphen plus any number from 0 to 9.
If you have more than 9 tasks per priority then the numbering has to start at 01-09 so that the priorities will sort correctly.

For processing codes I have set up icons that can be added to each item. I created a
circle for delegated tasks, a black dot for in process, and I use the large X that is already in the icon list. The not completed and completed codes are built in and can be used for for any type of task. These icons can be added to a task with a few taps once they are set up.

Tasks are easily forwarded by tapping on the details button and changing the date. Uncompleted tasks are automatically forwarded.

I use a hack called Pop! for adding a time/date stamp to a task when it is completed, and a category called completed.

I also use a program called Mañana as a master task list which is a clone of the Palm ToDo list but runs separately from the Palm app and gives you the option to export a task to the regular to do list, and it will also show up in DateBk4 where you can add the processing codes as needed.

For the DRE I am using DayNotez. This program automatically time/date stamps entries and any entry can be exported to either the to list or to the memo pad.

Last of all I use Arranger for Goals, Values, Mission, Roles and Compass. This program allows you to create links to any of the built in Apps.

Except for the icons the task list will synch to Outlook and the priorities will all be in order with the Outlook priority icons for high,normal and low priorities and the numerical order within each priority.

I am just starting with this setup and most likely it can be refined to work a lot better. So far it seems about 90% there.

Have a good one

Jay Downing

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:52:00 -0500

On 8/22/00 8:20:00 PM, Jay Downing wrote:
>I have been tweaking DateBk4
>to do what FPS does for a task
>list. First of all for
>priority control I am using 1
>for A priority items, 3 for B
>priority items and 5 for C
>priority. Then when I enter a
>task I put 4 spaces in before
>I enter any text(On the Palm
>this idea works best when
>using a large font), then when
>it comes time to add the
>numerical ordering to each
>priority it is easy to add a
>hyphen plus any number from 0
>to 9.
>If you have more than 9 tasks
>per priority then the
>numbering has to start at
>01-09 so that the priorities
>will sort correctly.
>
>For processing codes I have
>set up icons that can be added
>to each item. I created a
>circle for delegated tasks, a
>black dot for in process, and
>I use the large X that is
>already in the icon list. The
>not completed and completed
>codes are built in and can be
>used for for any type of task.
>These icons can be added to a
>task with a few taps once they
>are set up.
>
>Tasks are easily forwarded by
>tapping on the details button
>and changing the date.
>Uncompleted tasks are
>automatically forwarded.
>
>I use a hack called Pop! for
>adding a time/date stamp to a
>task when it is completed, and
>a category called completed.
>
>I also use a program called
>Mañana as a master task list
>which is a clone of the Palm
>ToDo list but runs separately
>from the Palm app and gives
>you the option to export a
>task to the regular to do
>list, and it will also show up
>in DateBk4 where you can add
>the processing codes as
>needed.
>
>For the DRE I am using
>DayNotez. This program
>automatically time/date stamps
>entries and any entry can be
>exported to either the to list
>or to the memo pad.
>
>Last of all I use Arranger for
>Goals, Values, Mission, Roles
>and Compass. This program
>allows you to create links to
>any of the built in Apps.
>
>Except for the icons the task
>list will synch to Outlook and
>the priorities will all be in
>order with the Outlook
>priority icons for high,normal
>and low priorities and the
>numerical order within each
>priority.
>
>I am just starting with this
>setup and most likely it can
>be refined to work a lot
>better. So far it seems about
>90% there.
>
>Have a good one
>
>Jay Downing
>
It sounds like that with this set up, you can link your tasks to your roles, goals & mission. True?
Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:26:00 -0500

Jay;

You won't believe this....

The link I created to your post on the FC site was deleted (ok, that is believable... but). In the deletion notification, I was REQUESTED to cut and paste information from your post into a post on the FC site!!!!!!

I sent you a copy of the email for PROOF!

Your move!

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 15:28:00 -0500

Good Morning All,
I have revised my method of using DateBk4 as a PDTL.
For the priorities I still use 1 for A, 3 for B, and 5 for C. Depending on the conduit and desk top software you use you may have to experiment with priorities to see how they sync to your desk top program. I use Desk top to Go and Outlook, and with these programs the priorities sync 1&2=high, 3=normal, and 4&5=low.

I am using PopHack to insert sequence and control codes and it is much faster. I have made up a menu (pick list) with the following items on it-* is for my tasks, @ is for delegated tasks, > is for tasks in process, and X is for dropped tasks. I use these codes because they are easy to insert into Outlook tasks and they sort the same way in DateBk 4 as they do in Outlook. Next I have the numbers 0-9 for sequence codes (I never have more than 10 tasks in each priority). Last of all I have the initials of the 2 people that report to me.

PopHack is set up like this. In preferences
I have the activating stroke set from Calc to Find, and the add item stroke is the reverse. The Double tap doesn't work with DateBk4 because tapping on the screen also selects whatever item is under the Pop Menu, and moves the cursor to the end of the item.
Also I have sticky menus checked so that the menu will stay open while I am adding the control codes.

To set the menu for DateBk4 I opened DateBk4 activated PopHack and opened the menu I set up for DateBk4, and in Pop Control/Menu Recollection/Global Settings I have Don't Remember checked, and /Current App Settings I have Remember Last Menu Checked. This way the checklist for DateBk4 comes up when I activate PopHack.

Now to use this setup I open Mañana, which is my MTL, to see if there is anything I want to add from there, and if there is, I move it to the Palm To Do List. Then I open DateBk4 and add in any other tasks that need to be done including the 1,3 or 5 priority, date due, and category. Next I switch to the large font, and I position the cursor at the beginning of each task in turn, and open PopHack. My task control menu comes up and I select the control codes first, then the sequence numbers, and then if the task is delegated, the initials of the person the task is assigned to. after this is done I open any other view in DateBk4 and then back to the day view and all of the tasks are sorted in the following order:

Overdue tasks sort to the top of the list, current tasks at the bottom.

* for my tasks
@ for delegated
> for in process

Then within each control code by sequence number, and then by initials. A task list might look like this-

 1 *1Task1
 1 *2Task2
 3 *1Task3
 3 *2Task4
 1 @1JDTask5
 1 @2JDTask6
 1 @1LKTask7
 3 @2LKTask8
 1 >1Task9
 1 >2Task10
 3 >1Task11
 5 >1Task12
 1 X1Task13

Tasks 1-4 are mine
Tasks 5-8 are delegated
tasks 9-12 are in process
task 13 is deleted or dropped

The number immediately to the right of the check box is the priority-high, normal or low, then the control code, then the sequence, and then the initials of the assignee if the task is delegated.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Joseph Ryan <ryan.joseph@usa.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:58:00 -0500

Absolutely...

I used Franklin paper planners from 1990 through this year. Last year I bought FPO and the late last summer bought a Palm IIIx. I found out early in FPO 1.0 and 1.1 Beta about the problems:
- the replacement/disabling of working conduits
- the loss of DRE data,
- the frustration of having all DRE entries synchronize to the Outlook Journal as Notes
- the corruption of my Address Book entires (ignoring the Mailing Address and the Custom Fields)
- the PDTL as a stand-alone application the would not allow me to beam tasks to my coworkers

As you all know, the list can go on!

I gave up earlier this year. I shifted to Pocket Mirror and Pocket Journal from Chapura. That takes care of the major synchronization. I bought ToDo Plus from Hands High to give me some good sorting and display capabilities on the Palm ToDo list, but I still dearly miss the Franklin prioritization of tasks!

If you know of a tool to give me back my prioritization, I'll gladly try it!

I have already given up on the whole WMM philosophy... when the tools you are using to help you work more efficiently actually makes you less efficient and effective, its time for a new tool!

Capt. Joseph Ryan

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: John Smith <jcsmith2@pdq.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:15:00 -0500

On 8/22/00 11:27:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>If given a TODO application
>that worked with Palm Desktop,
>and allowed you to emulate the
>"Franklin" prioritizing style
>(Date control, priority
>control, processing codes)...
>Would you drop all the other
>software that FC provides and
>go with the "standard" Palm
>software?
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88
>Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
>FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
>OnTarget: 2.3
>Palm: Since '96...
>1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc
>(OS 3.5)
>
>All posts copyrighted... learn
>more here.

Has anyone tried Life Balance? I've looked at the web site and downloaded the demo but as of yet have not installed it.

John C Smith
Planner from 1994
Visor from October 1999

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:53:00 -0500

>Has anyone tried Life Balance? I've
>looked at the web site and downloaded
>the demo but as of yet have not
>installed it.
>
>John C Smith
>Planner from 1994
>Visor from October 1999

If it's the same company I ran across a couple of years ago, it seemed a little wimpy at the time compared to Ascend. Some programs have made leaps and bounds since then though.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:40:00 -0500

Good evening,

Life Balance seems wimpy at first glance, however it is a radically different to do manager. Visit and spend some time reading the postings on their webboard http://www.llamagraphics.com/bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi. for one thing I doubt if you will see any negative posts and the are a number of former FPS and FPS users using Life Balance. One person in particular- Bob Pankratz who used to post a lot to the FC boards. This software package has a devoted following and the owners of the company are VERY responsive to customer input.

Any don't let the appearance of the program put you off it is a powerhouse

Jay

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 06:43:00 -0500

It's not the same company. Doesn't appear to have a desktop interface, or at least I don't recall seeing it as I browsed through the site.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Kurt Edelmann <kurtedelmann@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:00:00 -0500

I downloaded and tried it out. Not bad, but requires some adherance to their principles (not unlike WMM). I haven't really used it much because of the lack of a desktop interface, but there is something on their website about a forthcoming Windows program. I'll try it again when both parts are out.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:31:00 -0500

Au Contraire
Is the same company. You are right about the desk top support, however that is in the works. The program takes some getting used to, but once you do it will minimize the time you spend in planning.

Jay

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:41:00 -0500

Terry-

Could you be more specific about what you mean by date control?

By the way, I am surprised you stuck with FPS for so long- I stopped using it after about 3 months. I admire your loyalty in sticking with it and your helpfulness to other users.

Have a good one,

Jay

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 08:56:00 -0500

On 10/5/00 7:41:00 AM, Jay Downing wrote:
>Terry-
>
>Could you be more specific
>about what you mean by date
>control?
>

Jay,

The current TODO application does not allow for date control on the individual items listed. Or, should I state that it does allow for date control but the implementation is very weak. Currently if you create an item on the TODO, you can assign a due date and that item will show on the list for that day. Otherwise the list is nothing more than that... a list of ALL your TODO's. And for me, that list can be quite long. Not to mention that repeat tasks would be a nightmare to manage. When I plan, I plan to do specific things on specific days. The current TODO app doesn't allow for that, or for ABC/123 prioritization.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:56:00 -0500

On 10/7/00 8:56:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>Jay,
>
>The current TODO application does not
>allow for date control on the individual
>items listed. Or, should I state that it
>does allow for date control but the
>implementation is very weak. Currently
>if you create an item on the TODO, you
>can assign a due date and that item will
>show on the list for that day. Otherwise
>the list is nothing more than that... a
>list of ALL your TODO's. And for me,
>that list can be quite long. Not to
>mention that repeat tasks would be a
>nightmare to manage. When I plan, I plan
>to do specific things on specific days.
>The current TODO app doesn't allow for
>that, or for ABC/123 prioritization.
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88
>Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
>FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
>OnTarget: 2.3
>Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III,
>IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)
>
>All ideas, words, phrases, and postings
>are implicitly mine. I retain the
>copyright to All posts... learn more
>here.

Terry,

Thanks for the reply. I see what you mean about assigning due dates in the Palm To Do list, and FPS. It's hard to jump to a given date in the Palm App.

Have you tried DateBk4? At least this has the date control you need. I'd be interested in what you think about this.

I am trying to get something set up with available software, and DateBk4 along with Pop Hack comes the closest so far.

Jay

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:37:00 -0500

Jay,

I'm looking to start evaluating something different come the new year. If FC has no options for me, then I'm gone.

- Terry.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Deleted user
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:40:00 -0500

Terry,

I have been looking for Palm applications that can help (but not completely provide the Franklin methods), and the closest I have come (on the Palm) is:

1. DateBk4 - Calendar & To Do

2. To Do Plus - Better todo manager than Datebk4 (datebk4 provides a single view of appointments and to do items for the day, to do plus allows more control over to do items such as repeat and alarms...)

3. Arranger - Long & Short range goals, values, roles, and mission

4. DayNotez - DRE

These are working fairly well, but I am still looking for other options to get me closer to the Franklin way of things.

I have given up on FC ever providing real functional software for their own philosophy...

Roger Wichmann
wichmann.roger@mayo.edu

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Max K <kossfamily@home.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:49:00 -0500

Do any of these provide the ability to schedule to-do's on specific days? This is the only thing that seems to keep me hooked on FPS.

Max

Oh, and my posts are fully copyrighted to the full extent of the law (whatever that means!....)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:22:00 -0500

On 10/14/00 9:49:00 PM, Max Koss wrote:
>Do any of these provide the
>ability to schedule to-do's on
>specific days? This is the
>only thing that seems to keep
>me hooked on FPS.
>
>Max
>
>Oh, and my posts are fully
>copyrighted to the full extent
>of the law (whatever that
>means!....)

Max,

TODO+ and DateBK4 together allow for control of "task" items to be scheduled to a specific day. However the ABC/123 prioritization is still not there.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Query...
From: Randy James <bluzek@mindless.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:01:00 -0500

With DateBk4 you can sort your ToDo's by ICON and Prioritization. You can have an A, B, or C ICON and use saved views to sort out any or all of the icons. It will also work this way for categories as well.

On 10/15/00 2:22:00 PM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>On 10/14/00 9:49:00 PM, Max Koss wrote:
>>Do any of these provide the
>>ability to schedule to-do's on
>>specific days? This is the
>>only thing that seems to keep
>>me hooked on FPS.
>>
>>Max
>>
>>Oh, and my posts are fully
>>copyrighted to the full extent
>>of the law (whatever that
>>means!....)
>
>Max,
>
>TODO+ and DateBK4 together allow for
>control of "task" items to be scheduled
>to a specific day. However the ABC/123
>prioritization is still not there.
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88
>Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
>FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
>OnTarget: 2.3
>Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III,
>IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)
>
>All ideas, words, phrases, and postings
>are implicitly mine. I retain the
>copyright to All posts... learn more
>here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Time saver?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:02:00 -0500

Well, one outgrowth of the FC forum changes is it certainly looks like I won't be spending much time there!

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Time saver?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:15:00 -0500

On 8/23/00 7:02:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>Well, one outgrowth of the FC
>forum changes is it certainly
>looks like I won't be spending
>much time there!

It is THEIR objective that I won't be spending much time there.

Oops, does this post belong in the new Humor section?

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Master Task List Cross Linking
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:00:00 -0500

Despite the care I've been taking, opening and closing the MTL module, only adding one note to one task at one time, one task to the list at a time, closing the MTL task list between events.

I went to print my business notes to hand to my supervisor (who's phone number somehow got subjected to another fluke data entry issue), and discovered that a note I had assigned to one task which printed just fine last week, now contained the information of a personal task from my PDTL which wouldn't have appeared very professional.

Maybe I'm trying to force this software to work the way I think it should work. Perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job I'm trying to accomplish.

******** ******* *********** ****
****** ** * * **
*** ***
********* *******
*** ******* ****** ******* *** * ***
* ********* ******* ***** ** ****** *** ***** ****** ***

*NOTE: Almost (see Note2) as originally posted in the forums under the ~FPS board, under the header Opening/Using the Program (FPS) at the Franklin Covey site, since deleted (by poster) and this disclaimer added to this notice in a feeble attempt to identify the source of the quotation.

*NOTE2: Wording revised to make an original posting. The word 'incidently' was removed, since it keeps tripping the misspelled words flag thereby making this posting totally new and revised. Hey - this is easy!!!

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Master Task List Cross Linking
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:22:00 -0500

So, even though I posted the post to which I'm replying, on the FC board, (evidenced by the presence of the signature), and copied it to here, then today, having returned to the FC Site, and having at my disposal the ability to delete my posting from their board, (which I have) - I'm in violation of copyright law, and am to be prosecuted under the full extent of the law?

What if I give full credit to the quote, like a footnote in a book, quoting another book?

Ok. Let me modify my original posting.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Another Deletion
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:55:00 -0500

I received this from Coe today referring to my post on this board in the open forum conference under Query...-8/22 about tweaking DateBk 4. I find it rather appalling!

Jay Downing

From: Coe W cwcjr [cwcjunior@juno.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:32 PM
To: comments@franklinplanner.com
Cc: bikeman@efortress.com
Subject: Attn: XXX Re: deleted post

XXX

re:
http://us.comments.com/~fcproductsservices/read?1051,1430

I will tell Jay that you have requested that he post the information on FC.

I don't think he will believe me, but, I will ask.

Coe

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:54:49 -0400 "comments"
writes:
>
>This one had to be deleted, too. It opens a completely different
>forum within the FC forum frames. Too many unknowledgeable users
>could be quite confused about the navigation of the FC forum, as well
>as what is officially from FC and what is not. The information is
>quite useful, though. Is thereany way you could cut and paste that
>into a post?
>
>If you have further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to
>contact us.
>
>XXX
>comments@franklinplanner.com
>FranklinPlanner.com Product Support
>
>
>
>
>TOP | Post | Reply | Reply/Quote | Email Reply | Delete | Edit
>Previous | Next | Previous Topic | Next Topic
>Topic: International date format support in 1.4 (9 of 9), Read 51
>times
>Conf: Hotsyncing Issues (Palm™ OS Devices)
>From: Coe CWCJr (cwcjunior@juno.com)
>Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:26 PM
>
>Eric;
>
>Start Here, then do a BACK
>
>Then this is the link you asked for.
>
>
>While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was
>helpful...
>Coe
>
>**Not associated with Franklin Covey**
>FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS (4.0-6.1/7.3):'93 PPPro:'97 2MB/IR
>Upgrade '99FPO and Palm IIIc '00
>I retain the Copyright to all my posts and emails. Copyright Myths
>exposed.

>Coe
>cwcjunior@juno.com
>I retain the copyright to all my Posting and Emails.

________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Another Deletion
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:59:00 -0500

Maybe I'm a little dense, but this took me a couple of times through to understand, and I'm not certain that I do just yet.

I think what you find appalling is what XXX's response to Coe's inquiry was, and the references to the (paraphrased) ignoramuses using FC products.

The word it in the sentence 'I find it rather appalling', led me back to 'I received this from Coe today' to try and decipher the rest.

If F.C. would put up a reasonable FAQ outlining the questions most asked, and additionally, a section with 'Known Issues', with instructions on how to wayside them, or e.t.a.'s on their repair, there FORUM would be a none-issue. As it is, the limited time I've spent there illustrates that many don't read the manuals, and ask their questions before reading what's available to them, as if waiting for a response is going to have a shorter time cycle. Oh well, who asked for my two cents.

Who asked, seek first to understand, then be understood again?

On 8/29/00 9:55:00 AM, Jay Downing wrote:
>I received this from Coe today
>referring to my post on this
>board in the open forum
>conference under Query...-8/22
>about tweaking DateBk 4. I
>find it rather appalling!
>
>Jay Downing

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Another Deletion
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:49:00 -0500

A. Jay, I explained this in the reply to your Query post.
A little detailed explanation is in order. I had posted on the FC forum a "Start Here" guest login to THIS forum, that you had to BACK out of to return to the FC forum, again. Once you had done that, though, the link to Jay's post "here" then took you straight to the message. WebBoard does not have a way to let me automatically log you in as a guest and go directly to a post in a single step if you are not a 'password saved' user of that forum, already.

B. I, too, wonder what Jay found "appalling".

Options:
1) XXX requested that I cut and paste someone elses post from here to there?

2) That I would notify Jay that XXX had asked?

3) That FC would solicit a post on how to avoid using their own software to maintain using their life management philosophy?

4) That XXX felt that the forum users were too dumb to figure out that I had taken them to a different forum with the links, but, stayed within the FC forum message frame?

C. Jay, for several reasons, I have edited your post to change it to say XXX. I do retain copyright on my emails and posts and please respect that corresponse names (other than my own) I normally do not post. XXX is probably already in enough trouble and putting their name out there is unnecessary.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Message count is wrong sometimes
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:20:00 -0500

Just a minor annoyance but sometimes the message count is wrong. Right now it says there are 3 new messages, all in Open Forum. Scrolling through Open Forum I see two 'new' icons and only 1 new message indicated, for a total of 2 new messages.

What gives?

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

My opinions expressed here, and in any public forum, are my own and do not represent those of my employer or the Department of Energy.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Message count is wrong sometimes
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:24:00 -0500

On 8/29/00 1:20:00 PM, Bob Baskerville wrote:
>Just a minor annoyance but
>sometimes the message count is
>wrong. Right now it says there
>are 3 new messages, all in
>Open Forum. Scrolling through
>Open Forum I see two 'new'
>icons and only 1 new message
>indicated, for a total of 2
>new messages.
>
>What gives?

I saw this happen on the FC webboard, and informed them last week.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Message count is wrong sometimes
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:32:00 -0500

O'Reilly is aware of the problem.

Just in case anyone thinks I am less vocal (or helpful to other users) on WebBoard problems....

Top 10 Message Posters from O'Reilly's site:

User
Posts
Jim xxxxx 2658
Dave xxxxxx 1202
Coe CWCJunior 291
Lisa xxxxxx 239
Andy xxxxxx 177
Nathan xxxxxx 165
Volker xxxxxxxx 142
Rog xxxxxx137
Craig xxxxxx 33

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:06:00 -0500

As I've mentioned before I have already used FusionOne to sync my home and work Netscape addressbooks. Worked pretty much as advertised. I also keep an html file that I've found that I need to update at both places in sync using FusionOne. So I'm a slightly happy camper right now.

I tried something else that didn't work out so well. First a little background. I've got a pilot that I use exclusively from my work PC, I don't sync at home. Every Friday I hotsync at work and then backup/restore to my home PC. If I use the pilot over the weekend it is for reference, or I put a task into the next week. This kind of bums me out.

What I tried was to move my .mdb file into the directory that I sync with FusionOne. I first attempted to sync the whole directory but that turned out to be 18MB, versus a 5MB .mdb, so I just manually put the .mdb file in the directory. I did a FusionOne sync and then went home and sync'd at home. I then copied the file into my planner directory and the file was correct. Now came the acid test. What I theorized is that I could now hotsync at home and not get duplicates. Well this didn't work, I got duplicates.

Is there another file that I should sync that would solve this problem, or is this not a solution?

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

My opinions expressed here, and in any public forum, are my own and do not represent those of my employer or the Department of Energy.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:00:00 -0500

Bob,

This is the same as my method that is posted in the Ageless. Your .mdb file is now the master, so all you have to do is to restore the mdb at home, then set all FC conduits to Desktop overwrites Handheld for the first restore. After that use it normally, but, when going back to work you have to do the same thing.

Again see my ageless post.
http://us.comments.com/~FCProductsServices/read?357,1464

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 06:11:00 -0500

On 9/5/00 6:00:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>Bob,
>
>This is the same as my method
>that is posted in the Ageless.
>Your .mdb file is now the
>master, so all you have to do
>is to restore the mdb at home,
>then set all FC conduits to
>Desktop overwrites Handheld
>for the first restore. After
>that use it normally, but,
>when going back to work you
>have to do the same thing.
>
>Again see my ageless post.
>http://us.comments.com/~FCProd
>uctsServices/read?357,1464
>
>While just one opinion among
>many, I hope this information
>was helpful...
>Coe

Coe,

I've used this technique before but I thought that since it was a .mdb file instead of a .acb file that the markers that prevent duplicates would be present in the .mdb file and I wouldn't have to do a desktop overwrites.

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

My opinions expressed here, and in any public forum, are my own and do not represent those of my employer or the Department of Energy.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:49:00 -0500

On 9/6/00 6:11:00 AM, Bob Baskerville wrote:
<<>>
>Coe,
>
>I've used this technique before but I
>thought that since it was a .mdb file
>instead of a .acb file that the markers
>that prevent duplicates would be present
>in the .mdb file and I wouldn't have to
>do a desktop overwrites.
>
>Bob Baskerville
>(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
>Daily Planner - 90
>Ascend for Mac - 93
>Ascend 5 - 95
>Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
>FPS - 99
>
>My opinions expressed here, and in any
>public forum, are my own and do not
>represent those of my employer or the
>Department of Energy.

The .acb file, is a 'zipped' version of the .mdb file. - I've not dealt with the fusion one, nor expect to any time soon, but from what I've seen so far - the 'markers' in the .mdb file are there. The time stamp is used, so that the 'rules' written to integrate the data, can be implemented. I think that the Hot Sync method, also makes a control file, to know when and what synching takes place.

Merely transporting the .mdb/.acb file gives you the latest synched data, but leaves behind the modified files in the /palm folder. I would imagine, you could include in your backup, those files impacted (check by date, or time) and restoring them, with the .mdb would eliminate the duplication you are seeing. (Hey, maybe F.C. could add that as an option on their Tools.exe routine, by Christmas) (2024)

Later.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:23:00 -0500

Greg is correct. The ACB just unzips a copy of the .mdb. You can even use a direct unzipper, however, using the T&U restore will also take care of invoking syncdb when required.

The restoration process seems to confuse the flags and everything gets duplicated if you do not set it to D/H. It has even occurred to me when I hotsynched, saved, restored, hotsynced all on the same machine. Anymore, I just don't risk it.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:44:00 -0500

>The restoration process seems
>to confuse the flags and
>everything gets duplicated if
>you do not set it to D/H. It
>has even occurred to me when I
>hotsynched, saved, restored,
>hotsynced all on the same
>machine. Anymore, I just
>don't risk it.
>
>While just one opinion among
>many, I hope this information
>was helpful...
>Coe
>
>
>**Not associated with Franklin
>Covey**
>FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS
>(4.0-6.1/7.1):'93 PPPro:'97
>2MB/IR Upgrade '99
>I can also be found hanging
>around the sites listed and
>hotlinked in my profile.
>I retain the Copyright to all
>my posts and emails.
>Copyright Myths exposed.

Perhaps I misunderstood. I didn't see a restoration process going on there. Yes, agreed, the restore itself, I've found myself setting the d/h even during the upgrade processes.

But for synching on two machines, (which I've not done personally) it appears that the synch process impacts the following:

*.mdb (which will be carried to the other machine via the .acb file)
/.../palm/ various files.

We backup the mdb file, and transport it to the other machine, and the palm impacted files are left behind. Subsequently, the synch process gets 'confused' at that point, since apparently it stores some information which without, it 'thinks' it hasn't synched since the last time the file was modified.

What a can of worms. Short of carrying the entire .mdb file on the palm, an entire array of enigma's get created as you introduce new variables into the equation.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:05:00 -0500

It could be something as simple as the logfile on the computer does not agree with the logfile on the palm, hence, it thinks everything needs to be resynced for the new machine.

When you restore a database, always do D/H on your next HotSync and dupes are pretty much a thing of the past, when using FPS.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:50:00 -0500

On 9/7/00 12:05:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>snip
>
>When you restore a database,
>always do D/H on your next
>HotSync and dupes are pretty
>much a thing of the past, when
>using FPS.

I know H/D can cause problems. Are there any problems with D/H?

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

My opinions expressed here, and in any public forum, are my own and do not represent those of my employer or the Department of Energy.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FusionOne
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 23:43:00 -0500

On 9/8/00 2:50:00 PM, Bob Baskerville wrote:
>On 9/7/00 12:05:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>>snip
>>
>>When you restore a database,
>>always do D/H on your next
>>HotSync and dupes are pretty
>>much a thing of the past, when
>>using FPS.
>
>I know H/D can cause problems. Are there
>any problems with D/H?
>
>Bob Baskerville
>(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
>Daily Planner - 90
>Ascend for Mac - 93
>Ascend 5 - 95
>Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
>FPS - 99
>
>My opinions expressed here, and in any
>public forum, are my own and do not
>represent those of my employer or the
>Department of Energy.

Yes. If you use the custom fields for addressbook, that information can get wiped out on the palm since they do not sync.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: 7 Habits / Magellan Paper Planner
From: John Smith <jcsmith2@pdq.net>
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 07:46:00 -0500

Well they done it now. The new catalog arrived and I've checked the web site. The Magellan paper planner pages are being done away with and being incorporated into the Monticello planner pages. Yes, you do have the weekly and daily format options but if I didn't want the Monticello style before why do I want it now. The Magellan paper refills are only available through Oct 00 - Sep 01.

First they mess with FPS and do not properly fix FPO (repeating tasks), for now I have been using a combination of Visor and paper. Now its definately time to throw in the towel, at least I have a year to find a replacement.

Just can't leave well enough alone. It appears FC is strictly becoming a retail store fixed on the bottom line. Not What Matters Most.

John C Smith
Paper Planner since 94
Visor Since October 99

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: 7 Habits / Magellan Paper Planner
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:09:00 -0500

...what makes you think that What Matters Most isn't the bottom line?

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Where do we maintain the bug list now?
From: Paul Heininger <pheininger@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:02:00 -0500

The original technical support forum included items which were the bug lists. Now that this board is read only, where do we put the bug lists now?

Paul Heininger

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Where do we maintain the bug list now?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:39:00 -0500

On 9/12/00 1:02:00 PM, Paul Heininger wrote:
>The original technical support
>forum included items which
>were the bug lists. Now that
>this board is read only, where
>do we put the bug lists now?
>
>Paul Heininger

The bug listing is still there. Sorry, the master used to be here, but, I let it age off. It is back in the FPS conference and won't age off, this time.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: An interesting site
From: Anon Y'Mous <noone@nowhere.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:34:00 -0500

http://www.franklincoveysucks.com

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: HS with Address Book using Desktop To Go instead
From: Naugh Smith <noysmith@iname.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:40:00 -0500

Has anyone tried to use another conduit to Hotsync the address book? I hate FC's implementation of it because you can't rename the Custom Fields (or hotsync to ones you like).

I've tried installing Desktop To Go's version on top of FC's (install DTG after FC), but DTG just doesn't seem to override the FC's settings. My attempts at modifying the registry wasn't successful.

Please help; any idea is worth a shot.

Thanks in advance all,

Naugh

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: HS with Address Book using Desktop To Go instead
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:04:00 -0500

On 9/20/00 2:40:00 PM, Naugh Smith wrote:
>Has anyone tried to use
>another conduit to Hotsync the
>address book? I hate FC's
>implementation of it because
>you can't rename the Custom
>Fields (or hotsync to ones you
>like).
>
>I've tried installing Desktop
>To Go's version on top of FC's
>(install DTG after FC), but
>DTG just doesn't seem to
>override the FC's settings.
>My attempts at modifying the
>registry wasn't successful.
>
>Please help; any idea is worth
>a shot.
>
>Thanks in advance all,
>
>Naugh

Are you using FPO or FPS? Nothing else will sync to FPS's data.

For FPO, (before I fully loaded my Palm IIIc with FC stuff) I used the Palm supplied Chappura and PocketMirror to sync to Outlook contacts (without syncing PDTL/Task List) and the contacts/address book worked fine. OL Tasks went to the Palm ToDo, in this case, and none of the WMM stuff sync'd.

BTW: I love my new calendar TaskPad view with it grouped by date due and with the PDTL FCrank column. Thanks for the tip!

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: HS with Address Book using Desktop To Go instead
From: Naugh Smith <noysmith@iname.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:58:00 -0500

I'm using FPO, and Outlook 2000.

But for you situation, what about subsequent syncs?

Ideally, I'd like a permanent way to disable FC's conduit for syncing the Address Book. That way, perhaps the DTG's version will work correctly. With DTG, not only can you modify the Custom fields, or link the Palm's custom field to Outlook's fields that you want (like Birthday, Anniversary, etc. which are already in Outlook), but you could sync to an Outlook Public folder which can have a centrally managed list that everyone could use.

DTG is a bit more powerful and does what I need, but I just can't get it to override FC's Address Book conduit. Please help?

Glad you like the Task Pad changes . . .

Naugh

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: BEWARE. Is history repeating?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:23:00 -0500

Just before a release, Franklin Covey seems to initiate measures to suppress posting of messages that are disparaging. Just before each release of the bug ridden;
FPS 7.0
FPS 7.1
FPS 7.3
FPO 1.0
FPO 1.1
FPO 1.4

Franklin Tech Support has 're-emphasized' that the forums were for support only and/or emailed me about the nature of my posts on their boards. (Thanking me of course for supporting their users 24/7.)

The 'heavy hand' was heaviest just before the announcement that there were no more FREE fixes to A97 (6.1c).

All those previous 'heavy handed' efforts PALE in comparison to their current action, so what could be coming???

Ahhh, the FPO 2.0 upgrade is due next quarter, and desparately needed to solve the Repeat Task DEFECT in FPO 1.4.

Any bets that the fix is not free? nor even cheap!!!!!

Hmmm, the attack and implementation of separate forum T&Cs (which claims any ideas you post become their property) also seems to be happening as they are looking for ideas for how to fully implement FPC. (Rob Moore gives his Pacific rim dog & pony show presentation on FPC, Monday!)

Beware, of your pocket book.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: BEWARE. Is history repeating?
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:30:00 -0500

With FC's actions, why not seek other options. Granted FC offers a tool set that many have adopted and have made a very big part of their life and how they manage their time. But, it is clear that FC does not really care about that.

With all the resources and talents of those who participate in supporting FPx, one would think we could develop something far better and friendlier.

BTW, No, FC cannot have the Copyright to this post:-)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: BEWARE. Is history repeating?
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:23:00 -0500

I wonder how difficult it would be to start a community development process (a la gecko/netscape 6) for a personal information manager? I would be interested in working on it if I thought it had a reasonable chance of finding an audience -- and if other developers were involved.

There are a number of challenges involved, but it is interesting to think about.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: BEWARE. Is history repeating?
From: Anon Y'Mous <noone@nowhere.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:26:00 -0500

Mike;

See the following post
http://us.comments.com/~FCProductsServices/read?1242,1430

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: BEWARE... Copyright infringement
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:44:00 -0500

The new FC terms are telling you that you cannot retain your copyright... don't believe it.

New terms: Franklin Covey retains the copyright on any information, statements, ideas, or postings herein. Any product suggestions or ideas submitted to this forum are, by posting, the property of Franklin Covey and the rights of the person making such suggestions are extinguished therein No information on this site should be duplicated by any third party. If Franklin Covey discovers any violations of its copyright, it may initiate legal proceedings.

No matter what their terms are, if your posts contain the tag that you have retained the copyright to your post, and they have no record of an agreement with you, then your posts will be yours alone.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All posts copyrighted... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: BEWARE... Copyright infringement
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:58:00 -0500

Hmmm... maybe that is why they extended an 'opportunities' email invitation several days before the missile was sent; so they could backdoor an 'agreement'?

I told them to be specific about the 'opportunities'.... you know what came next!

This is getting highly reminiscent of the http://www.franklincoveysucks.com episode. It gets even better when you go read the Utah Appellate Court arguments on why they felt they had jurisdiction. (You have to search for that decision separately.) http://courtlink.utcourts.gov/opinions/appopin/melvin.htm

After reading that story, and knowing that I am not one of the flock, there seems very little future in any arrangement with them.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: NNTP with HTML messages.
From: Paul Heininger <pheininger@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:19:00 -0500

I am having trouble seeing any message with HTML content from news group readers. Is it just me?

Paul Heininger

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: NNTP with HTML messages.
From: Admin FCPSForum <fcpsforum@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:12:00 -0500

On 9/27/00 7:19:00 AM, Paul Heininger wrote:
>I am having trouble seeing any
>message with HTML content from
>news group readers. Is it
>just me?
>
>Paul Heininger

Thank you for bringing it to our attention. If there are html tags in the signature of the message poster's profile, the nntp will give an error when trying to recall the message. It does not matter whether or not the actual message contains html.

It was a discovered problem in some versions of the NNTP portion of the WebBoard software, this is obviously one of those. We are working on it.

Again, thanks.

FCPS Admin volunteer
This message's contents are copyrighted by Comments.com

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: My word...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:50:00 -0500

Years have passed since I've been visiting these forums. And not much has changed with the technology of the Franklin Planner.

Over time there have been many improvements added into the software, yet much of the flawed code remains. I suppose that may be a reflection of poor vision and leadership, but it's just as much a reflection of the programmers lack of quality control.

Everyday I use FPS and I have problems with the software. It's cumbersome, buggy, and downright ornery to use. Yet when I think that I might try FPO, everyone tells me not to bother... the grass is just as brown on the other side of the fence. So I ask myself... "Why do I persist?"

I don't know. But I will say this, should Franklin Covey not address the quality issues with FPS, or FPO properly. I will begin to rally against these as viable software solutions to planning.

My hopes are not bright, as I see they are pursuing non-value-added activities to quash the outspoken few who are looking to improve the image and quality of Franklin Covey and FC products.

It's a shame, but that is my word and I'm going to stick by it.

How do you feel about this?

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: My word...
From: Deleted user
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:30:00 -0500

I agree that FQ is no longer paying any attention to the customers. As for myself I am going to start writing Palm application to do what Franklin should have done.

Roger Wichmann
wichmann.roger@mayo.edu

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: My word...
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:20:00 -0500

Terry,

I too must agree with you. I used FPO for a while and just got plain tired of the workarounds and the inability to easily use my palm at two PC's. I always needed to takes special steps with FPO to ensure I did not get any duplicates or deletions or inappropriately restoring deleted appointments from my work PIM. It makes planning your day tough.

I have continued to watch the boards in hopes of a change and future improvements in FPx. I just don't see it and I am not going to spend any more money on FC for now. Until there are major improvements in quality and the ability to truly sync at multiple PC's without special precautions, FPx just does not work for me.

I am now using PocketMirror at home to OL2k and Intellisync at work syncing to a combination of Groupwise for my calender and the Palm Desktop for the memopad, address book, and tasklist. To ensure that I can see my todo's for today and the upcoming week, I use Datebk4.

When I get to each location I just have to push the sync button and everything is great. No dupes, no deletetions, no problems! Both Intelliysnc and PocketMirror are quality products that work. PocketMirror is currently beta testing a new version that will allow recurring tasks to work correctly between OL and Palm. All we see from FC is more rhetoric.

It is a shame that we need to look elsewhere for our electronic solutions to help us plan and manage our lives but that's how FC wants it!

These are my thoughts.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: My word...
From: Jim Simons <simons@montana.net>
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:01:00 -0500

7/99 - Attended WMM seminar. Great idea, can see much possible improvement in my efficiency.
8/99 - FC paper product clumsy, I am less efficient. Software must be better. Purchase FPS.
8/99 – 10/99 – Takes one week to see that I am putting more time into the software than it is saving me. Prove same in each of the following 6 weeks. Looks like forum posters having same result.
10/15/99 - Delete FPS from my computer. Use Outlook.
10/99 to date. No data loss, quick syncs to 3 computers, no dupes, saving time, more efficient, no problem.
10/99 – date - Read FC forums. Trying to reconcile what I think 7H says and my experience with the software. I does not reconcile.

Then they shut down the forums, so here I am.

Still lurking and waiting to hear of some good task list, to do list, reminder, prioritizing software.

No longer waiting for FC to “get it”.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: An Open Reply as to WHY?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:34:00 -0500

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:26:53 -0400 ".........." <,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,@wwwwwww.com> writes:
>Coe,
>
>OK, so you publicly announced that
>your new work computer does not
>have any FC products on it.
>
>As a result of your "cease and
>desist" letter from FC, you have stopped
>participating in their forums and
>remove most of the "possible" (from
>FC point of view) copyright violations
>on the unofficial web board.

The decision to stop participating in their forum was based on many factors, not a cease and desist threat - they had done that before and it didn't work. Actually this time it was only a "play nice - you're still our best 'tech support'". As long as I was using their product and I paid for it, I had my right to bitch. A few of the reasons:

1) Their new terms and conditions. I was providing detailed feedback and ideas on FPC and on the synchronization methods that they were screwing up. They were now claiming all those ideas as theirs and that I lost all rights to the idea. FPC is not the only port in the storm, as the (hidden) developers conference is proving.

2) I just have too much to do with my new project at work to even CARE what FC is doing. I cannot afford the wasted time trying to deal with FPO's bugs, duplicates, recurring task defect, and lost data.

3) If I expect them to honor my copyright, shouldn't I honor theirs?

>
>You may be very actively participating
>in the new developers "private"
>discussion, but I just finally responded
>to the invitation E-mail do
>to other more important things going
>on in my life. Obviously I have
>not seen your discussions in these
>"private" discussions.

I have not done much participating due to work demands. But some good ideas are floating around in there.

>
>So, what is your current attitude
>about FC and FC products? Have you
>switched completely to alternative
>products? If so, which are you
>chosing to use?

Yes I am using alternative products, but, have not settled on anything. I have not experimented with multiple possible long term replacements yet, again because of the demands at work. I think http://www.franklincoveysucks.com adequately covers one of my possible attitudes.

>
>Thanks for taking the time to read this.
>
>..................
>

My pleasure. If you object to the public posting, let me know.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: An Open Reply as to WHY?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:38:00 -0500

BTW: Yes, I intend to keep this forum open to help all those that find their way here. The group here probably knows better ways to fix and get around the problems than the 'high turnover Tech Support user 44', anyway.

Lisa to Chad to Ric to Justin in less than one product update cycle.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: the 'competition' keeps getting better
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:34:00 -0500

ACT! Link v2.0 http://www.act.com/actlink

Datebk4 preview release 4.0d http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/datebk4faq.htm#What are the known problems in the current release of DateBk4

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: the 'competition' keeps getting better
From: Jay Downing <bikeman@efortress.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:16:00 -0500

Also take a look at Life Balance. This is gradually becoming a killer app! The user forum is what a forum should be, and the developer is really responsive to user input.
No desk top yet, but it is coming. Because it is so flexible, it takes a while to learn to use it, but all in all it is a great program. There are a number of former FPS users who participate in the forum too.
http://www.llamagraphics.com

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Getting FPS Notes into Outlook 2000
From: Clifton Karnes <clif@karnesdesign.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:31:00 -0500

Greetings!

I've been using the Franklin System for about 10 years. I started with the paper planner and moved to Ascend in the early 90s. I'm using FPS 7.3 now, but I've decided to switch to Outlook 2000 (not FPO, but pure Outlook).

The first module I moved from FPS to Outlook was my address book. That went pretty smoothly. FPS exported it, and after some mapping, Outlook imported it.

Next, I wanted to move my FPS Notes to Outlook (I have a ton of these), but I can't see an easy way to do it. I prowled around in the FPS mdb data file using Access, but didn't see an obvious place where the Notes were stored.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Clif

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Getting FPS Notes into Outlook 2000
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:49:00 -0500

If I recall correctly, the table is named FQARedTabs.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Getting FPS Notes into Outlook 2000
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:24:00 -0500

On 11/16/00 4:49:00 PM, Michael Strother wrote:
>If I recall correctly, the
>table is named FQARedTabs.
>Michael Strother

Yes it is. However the notes themselves are stored as "long binary data". I have yet been able to find a way to get the data out using Access or anything else. If someone has a way, I would be greatly appreciative.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Getting FPS Notes into Outlook 2000
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:37:00 -0500

http://us.comments.com/%7Efcproductsservices/read?1323,1622

On 11/16/00 6:24:00 PM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>On 11/16/00 4:49:00 PM, Michael Strother
>wrote:
>>If I recall correctly, the
>>table is named FQARedTabs.
>>Michael Strother
>
>Yes it is. However the notes themselves
>are stored as "long binary data". I have
>yet been able to find a way to get the
>data out using Access or anything else.
>If someone has a way, I would be greatly
>appreciative.
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88
>Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
>FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
>OnTarget: 2.3
>Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III,
>IIIx, IIIc (OS 3.5)
>
>All ideas, words, phrases, and postings
>are implicitly mine. I retain the
>copyright to All posts... learn more
>here.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Getting FPS Notes into Outlook 2000
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:38:00 -0500

For those that cannot take the link:

You can dump the text data in the long binary formats using Access's export. You select to export the table to a FoxPro database. You can then use a text editor on the file it creates to at least recover the text information. I have not found a 'reader' or the method of handling the data, although it must be accessible via some VB construct.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Seen this?
From: Frank Lorman <footloose90@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:21:00 -0500

Subject: PGHQ Software: GoalKeeper
From:
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 05:04:38 -0500

The following Software! post has been added to the PalmGear.com Web Site!

New in the Enhancements Category
Software Title: GoalKeeper 1.0
Type of Product: Commercial
Product Highlight: Add direction and purpose to your plan.
Full Details at:
http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=10865

Product Description: There is plenty of software out there for
organizing your life, but without direction and purpose, your daily
planning may get you nowhere. GoalKeeper is designed to fill that gap.
Through a simple hierarchy of concepts, the user can easily discover
what is most important and plan to accomplish the things that are first
and foremost. GoalKeeper starts with a Mission Statement that is
derived from Values and Roles. This statement is meant to be an
overarching, guiding force in ones life. Values are those principles
which take top priority in your life. Roles define which relationships
and responsibilities are of most importance. Once your Mission, Values,
and Roles have been established, your Goals, Tasks, and daily planning
should flow naturally from them. GoalKeeper's Goal form allows you
track Goals in specific areas of your life. Furthermore, in the Tasks
and Evaluation sections, you can break down those Goals into attainable
Tasks and Evaluate your progress. GoalKeeper also includes an Idea
Generator and a form for jotting down quick handwritten notes. Let
GoalKeeper be your rudder in the sea of Palm programs!

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Seen this?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 06:47:00 -0500

On 11/28/00 6:21:00 PM, Frank Lorman wrote:
>Subject: PGHQ Software:
>GoalKeeper
>From:
>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000
>05:04:38 -0500
>
>
>The following Software! post has been added to the
>PalmGear.com Web Site!
>
>New in the Enhancements Category
>Software Title: GoalKeeper 1.0
>Type of Product: Commercial
>Product Highlight: Add
>direction and purpose to your
>plan.
>Full Details at:
>http://www.palmgear.com/softwa
>re/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=10865

moved to http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=10866

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Found Browsing -
From: Greg Lewis <gslmi@home.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:40:00 -0500

Happened across this today. Don't think I'm going to d/l it and try it, but thought I'd share a chuckle I enjoyed. It's freeware -
(talk about data loss issues!) - http://publish.uwo.ca/~dvanders/BFCoercer.html

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN COERCER
Benjamin Franklin Coercer is inspired by the model of Benjamin Franklin in his Autobiography. Franklin began each day with the simple question "What Good shall I do this Day?", and ended each day with a reflective version of the same query.

BF Coercer attempts to do something similar. When it starts (preferably from your Start Up group), the program asks you what you will accomplish today; you can check tasks off as they are completed.

Sounds pretty simple, and it is. The catch is that every day the previous day's tasks are deleted! It just wouldn't be in the Benjamin Franklin spirit to let your duties drag on endlessly. Most reminder programs wait patiently until you accomplish a goal. Not this one! When each day ends, so do its opportunities, and BFC makes sure that you remember this.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Web board access...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:26:00 -0500

Anyone else having problems getting to the FC forums today?

Seems very odd that they have been down all day. I wonder if there was any scheduled upgrades happening.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Web board access...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:16:00 -0500

Upgraded software... no upgrade to the server. Naturally it's still slow.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Web board access...
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 08:59:00 -0500

Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>Upgraded software... no upgrade to the server.
>Naturally it's still slow.

(assuming it was a planned change) nice warning the gave everyone too.

prime customer service.

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Web board access...
From: Kevin Maxey <ksmax@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 18:25:00 -0500

1) I think they really want much of the board to go away. It isn't a priority any more. (Let's be real - they have lost much of the customer base)

2) The volume on the boards has decreased significantly since they began censoring the boards and chased off the most helpful users such as Coe.

3) The promised upgrades haven't come to the software.

Kevin Maxey

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Web board access...
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:49:00 -0500

On 12/8/00 8:16:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>Upgraded software... no upgrade to the server.
>Naturally it's still slow.

Seems noticably faster today Monday.
Perhaps a fluke, or maybe something has improved?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Any news from dev. conf.
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:23:00 -0500

Just wondering if anyone can comment on the status of the private developer conference.

Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Any news from dev. conf.
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:49:00 -0500

On 12/12/00 11:23:00 AM, Gary McAdams wrote:
>Just wondering if anyone can
>comment on the status of the
>private developer conference.
>
>Gary McAdams

A lot of initial discussion, but, as far as I can tell everyone is too busy with their own fires. (Which is of course why we use PIM software, anyway...)

I think many of the ones initially interested are using Datebk4 and find it satisfactory when used with Outlook and a few form tricks in outlook.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Any news from dev. conf.
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:53:00 -0500

Any info about the form tricks in Outlook would be appreciated. I have O2K.
Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Any news from dev. conf.
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:31:00 -0500

On 12/14/00 10:53:00 AM, Gary McAdams wrote:
>Any info about the form tricks
>in Outlook would be
>appreciated. I have O2K.
>Gary McAdams

http://us.comments.com/~FCProductsServices/read?1150,1431

http://us.comments.com/~FCProductsServices/read?1149,1431

http://us.comments.com/~FCProductsServices/read?1311,1431

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: New Conference Ideas
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:10:00 -0500

Pocket Mirror Synchronization Issues with Outlook

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: New Conference Ideas
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:37:00 -0500

Done: See Chapura PocketMirror.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Interesting
From: Gary McAdams <gmcadams@markerman.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:36:00 -0500

I found this while browsing software links. One thing I have found is that the To Do list lets you enter A1, A2, B6 and then lists them alpha numerically. Also has palm support so this looks very interesting.

http://www.isbister.com/chaos32.html

Gary McAdams

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Palm 'PIM' under 3rd bullet item
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:04:00 -0500

http://www.ugeek.com/news/geeknews/2000dec/pda20001215003350.htm

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC forum DNS errors...
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:09:00 -0500

The most likely target is a DNS caching browser or internet application like Naviscope or Freedom. If it does DNS caching, the new Franklin forum structure will hicup each time you post and navigate back and forth between forums.

For some applications you have to delete the DNS caching file before things clear up. This should not be necessary for the FC problem. If it is doing it on FPS try the FPO or the previous board you were on. It will probably not give you the error on that board....

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC forum DNS errors...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:28:00 -0500

Ummmm... Not so sure. I've tried this several times. But more importantly, I've closed my browser and logged directly into the board I wanted to post on and still get the message.

I would think that if I logged out, closed the browser, and logged into the board I was posting to... your theory would allow me to post immediately. True?

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC forum DNS errors...
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:05:00 -0500

On 1/21/01 10:28:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>Ummmm... Not so sure. I've
>tried this several times. But
>more importantly, I've closed
>my browser and logged directly
>into the board I wanted to
>post on and still get the
>message.
>
>I would think that if I logged
>out, closed the browser, and
>logged into the board I was
>posting to... your theory
>would allow me to post
>immediately. True?
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88

No. A DNS Caching application often saves the information in a file on your hard drive or in a data file for the application that is performing the caching. It survives across browser closures. Some firewall, ad filter, and internet accelerator applications have the option to cache DNS information. My favorite ad filter, NAVISCOPE, is one of those. I have to be sure to turn the caching off.

This came up as a major problem on IBM's and their forum, which is WebBoard based, also. I forget what application was caching the DNS information in a file on the disk. The only solution was to delete the file.

If you have the trouble on one forum, have you tried to go to one of the other three active ones and post? At least, one of them should work OK if it is the caching problem.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC forum DNS errors...
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:08:00 -0500

Usually, once it starts it doesn't matter which forum I go to... they will all give me the same problem.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FWIW
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:16:00 -0500

Must say that FC's Tech Support Specialist, Justin R, went up a couple of notches IMnsHO with his acknowledgement and research into the conduit deletion problem...

FWIW.
While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FWIW
From: Joel Young <youngjm@mediaone.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:34:00 -0500

On 2/14/01 8:16:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>Must say that FC's Tech
>Support Specialist, Justin R,
>went up a couple of notches
>IMnsHO with his
>acknowledgement and research
>into the conduit deletion
>problem...
>
>FWIW.
>While just one opinion among
>many, I hope this information
>was helpful...
>Coe
>
>
>**Not associated with Franklin
>Covey**
>FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS
>(4.0-6.1/7.3(3/8)):'93
>PPPro:'97 2MB/IR Upgrade '99,
>Palm IIIc:'00 FPO
>(1.1-1.4):'00
>DayTracker/FPC:'00
>I can also be found hanging
>around the sites listed and
>hotlinked in my profile.
>I retain the Copyright to all
>my posts and emails.
>Copyright Myths exposed.

Agreed, hope he doesn't get his hand slapped for publishing the e-mail.

Still lurking in hopes that FPO may???????? be fixed someday!

Palm IIIx w/8mb upgrade 5/1999-2/2001
Palm IIIc 2/2001 - SIU

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FWIW
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:39:00 -0500

I agree. It almost makes up for some of the stupid* answers he gives on questions.

*Uninformed, unresearched, unsupported.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC / FPS / FPO where are we at?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:18:00 -0500

Your thoughts?

My how time flies: seems like yesterday we saw http://www.franklincovey.com/about/press/1999/press_3com.html (I was thinking, till I rechecked, that it had been issued in 2000!)

Anyway, subsequent to this and other press releases http://www.franklincovey.com/about/press/press_archive.html and http://www.palm.com/pr/franklin.html and http://www.palm.com/pr/032200-pqa.html I would have thought FC would be further alongm perhaps even tight with 3com and MS. But little more is mentioned at 3com other than FC's OEM relationship for selling palm products.

However, I'm not really knowledgable enough to judge. Any thoughts of what has happened, or not happened, with 3com and MS??

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC / FPS / FPO where are we at?
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:31:00 -0500

I think we are all capable of commenting on what has "not" happened. And that is a tragedy.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC / FPS / FPO where are we at?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:59:00 -0500

On 3/18/01 12:31:00 PM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>I think we are all capable of commenting on what has "not"
>happened. And that is a tragedy.

The appearance thus far is as you say, evident, and seems not much more than FC going strong on selling Palm Co's products. But what I'm looking for something on the order of an informed or insider perspective.

For example, what was the 3com arrangement intended to be and produce for FC? Did it pan out? Is there more to come?

What about Microsoft?
(Did I see an agreement with Microsoft in that same time frame or is it my imagination confusing it with the 3com 'deal'?)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC / FPS / FPO where are we at?
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:27:00 -0500

They are on cruise control.

The two members of the Covey family on the Board of Directors own a massive share of the stock. And as we all know, Covey does not put any value on technology. And with the current value of shares held by the Board members, you will not find enough shares to go against anything that Covey wants. So my guess is that until their stock becomes nearly worthless, we are not going to see any change in the direction of the company. The "Mormon Boys Club" is alive and well at FC.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC / FPS / FPO where are we at?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:29:00 -0500

Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>They are on cruise control.
>
>The two members of the Covey family on the Board of
>Directors own a massive share of the stock. And as we all
>know, Covey does not put any value on technology.

Thanks - i wasn't aware of Covey's opinions on this subject.

Is this position evident in his writings, through company press, or is it more under the surface than that?

And granting that you are correct on Covey's position, why has there been such a massive push by FC to sell Palms (almost from day one, they started appearing on the front page of their catalogs and the website)?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: FC / FPS / FPO where are we at?
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:00 -0500

On 3/19/01 11:29:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>Is this position evident in
>his writings, through company
>press, or is it more under the
>surface than that?

- Under the surface. Look at what Covey and Smith did... Each of them created a PAPER planner. I'm sure there is some ego in play here. Regardless, the direction that FPS took was to meld the two systems together, however I'm sure nobody has created a strategic direction. Nobody has vision.

>And granting that you are
>correct on Covey's position,
>why has there been such a
>massive push by FC to sell
>Palms (almost from day one,
>they started appearing on the
>front page of their catalogs
>and the website)?

- Marketing... In 1996 who was the preeminent supplier of calendar and organizational tools? FranklinQuest. Then comes along the Covey Leadership Center and all vision is lost. (Catch the link here?)

Franklin Covey has become the single largest supplier of planning and leadership tools in the world. However do you know where they are going? Do you think they know where they are going? (I'm sure the answer to both is "no".) Again, there is no vision for technology. Just a "shotgun" approach to product development. That tells me that the marketing arm is pushing whatever is the hottest thing going. Never mind the fallout, just sell it!

If you want you can check out their rating from Wall Street... Oh sorry, no you can't. They don't share much information with the street and you won't find an analysis of the company anywhere. It seems they only share what's necessary and legal for the SEC. The rest is protected in their little world. If I had stock in a company without vision, and no understanding of how to communicate with investors... I would sell ASAP.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: onespace from enfish
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:19:00 -0500

Has anyone tested or currently using onespace? http://www.enfish.com/products/

comments? value?

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: onespace from enfish
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:45:00 -0500

I tried using the predecessor to Onespace a couple of years ago (I forget the former product name.) My own take on it is that it was a resource hog. If you have mass quantities of locally stored documents and/or your hard disk is disorganized, you may find it useful; otherwise I wouldn't recommend it.

(OTH, you might love it. Just an opinion.)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Daytimer Software
From: Heather Canady <cyberunica@mail.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:22:00 -0500

Has anyone tried the Daytimer Organizer software?

Thanks,
Heather

Heather M. Canady

2001: Palm IIIxe
2000: Paper Planner
1999: FPS, FPO, PPPro
1997: Paper Planner

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Daytimer Software
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:31:00 -0500

Yes... It's not very easy to work with. The import/export functions are horrible.

Other than that, it's fairly stable.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Daytimer Software
From: Heather Canady <cyberunica@mail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:59:00 -0500

Thanks, Terry. I just downloaded the trial for DateBk4. I think I can make that package work. (Actually, I like a lot of the features.) I like the fact that it does not make me use a specific desktop interface.

Heather M. Canady

2001: Palm IIIxe
2000: Paper Planner
1999: FPS, FPO, PPPro
1997: Paper Planner

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Daytimer Software
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:56:00 -0500

On 4/2/01 4:59:00 PM, Heather Canady wrote:
>Thanks, Terry. I just
>downloaded the trial for
>DateBk4. I think I can make
>that package work. (Actually,
>I like a lot of the features.)
>I like the fact that it does
>not make me use a specific
>desktop interface.
>
>Heather M. Canady

I have not used the categories to get the ToDo's to sort correctly, so they are not as well ordered on the palm as they are on Outlook. However, I prefer DateBk4's stability and the ability to use repeat appointments without corruption. I have not even begun to tap it's template capabilities.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Forums not operating since Labor Day
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:43:00 -0500

The light is flickering, and I hear a voice in the background...

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.OpenForum
Subject: Forums not operating since Labor Day
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:56:00 -0500

On 9/6/01 9:43:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>The light is flickering, and I
>hear a voice in the
>background...
>
>Rage, rage against the dying
>of the light.
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88
>Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
>FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
>OnTarget: 2.3

;) Moved it here since the other Conference automatically sends an email to FC Tech Support.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe