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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FC in Singapore
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 11:10:00 -0500

Found this on PDAgeek

Well, FC isn't idle over there at SPUG - a 15 minute product demo as listed on the itenerary at http://www.spug.org/meetings.htm

(the big item on the agenda is a demo of Palm's new Palm M100)

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS trialware - is it new?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:05:00 -0500

Has the 30 day trial download been there all this time and the just updated it to version 7.3?

Or is it a new offering?

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS trialware - is it new?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:19:00 -0500

On 8/4/00 8:05:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>Has the 30 day trial download
>been there all this time and
>the just updated it to version
>7.3?
>
>Or is it a new offering?

The trial has always been there. I did not track when they changed the version that it emulated.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

**Not associated with Franklin Covey**
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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Bug List for 7.3 and earlier
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:26:00 -0500

This listing includes bugs-B and anomalies-A posted through: 03/11/2000.

F-fixed by 7.3

Known bugs in V7.1 FPS: (as initiated by Terry O.)
(* - bug carried forward from 7.0 and/or A97)

B- Calendar printer often causes fatal error when clicking on the margins button. (7/21/1999)

F- The appointment window does not hold its settings for showing tasks/notes (Please note there is a sequence that can be followed that solves the problem. This is caused by the fact that it is both a STATUS indication and a REGISTRY CONTROL parameter and that is does not update the settings if the window is maximized. Coe 8/6/99)

B- After a task has been forwarded you cannot change/update task properties on the originating task without duplicating the task on the forward destination day... Forward a task, change task properties on the originating task, then look at the day it was forwarded to. You now have duplicate tasks. (7/21/1999)

B- If you are making additional changes to an existing "note" file in the information manager that has already been saved once, switch to either the pdtl or appt window, hit the "+" to create a new task or appt, and press the "cancel" button, all of your changes since the last save are lost. (7/21/99 - edited 7/26/99)

F- If you print a calendar and select: binder - classic; items to print - no tasks, yes to appt, special days, important days, weekend days; calendar type - monthly; 2 pages. Version 7.1 truncates the appt title to the same line as the appt time allowing for only about 6 characters of the appt title. This makes the page very difficult to read. (7/21/1999)

F - Closing Print Preview does not take you back to the print setup screen. (7/21/99*)

Partially fixed. Appointments now have the control and it defaults to 'not private', but tasks still do not have a control setting on the computer. B- Repeat and Recurring do not have "private" edit controls for the flag, but, they are maintained in the database (often improperly set) (7/23/99*)

A- No ability to edit the Roles and Long Range Goals association of an appointment or task in the Properties view. (7/23/99*)

B- Cannot associate a new task or appointment with a Role or Goal in the DPT. (7/23/99*)

B- Archive function creates a print block for each record, even if the record was associated with a deleted record (not the same as the task "action" of deleted) so you end up with a "block" of a date and status of not completed with no information. (7/23/99) It also truncates DRoE entries at the first carriage return. (3/2/2000)

B- Goals were hotsynched, but when selecting any goal on the Pilot, it does not seem to have the linked value from the PC. (07/25/1999)

F- B- Color selection and printing do not print in the category colors (7/27/99*)

A- DROE (from DROE window) and DROE Index print out do not have sheet style selection options (original, seasons, etc) - also - In Ascend 4.x you could get 60 + DROE Index entries per Classic sheet side (two columns per side) and using both sides (manual feed the form) you could get 120+ DROE indices per page. In 5.0 and A97 you not only lost font control, you could no longer get two columns. In FPS 7.1 you only get 11 because it takes 3 lines per entry. (Why in an index do I have to WASTE space with 'Description' and 'Date' preceding the information? Is there anything else in an index?) If you really did (and I did) have over 120 entries per month, now it takes almost as many sheets for the index per month as it takes for a month of workdays. Some LACK of efficiency there, unless of course you sell paper (Oh- I forgot - FC does) and makes for a DARN big binder.(7/29/1999*)

B- There is no way to set the 'private' flag of a task on the computer. (8/03/99)

B- Installation of FPS 7.1 causes non-FPS files to be deleted, particularly Palm applications. (8/03/99)

B- Cannot print right hand page with Journal, Notes, and DROE unless you also print Calendar and Tasks. The Notes option gray's out. (8/04/99*)

B- Can create a task in the LRGW, but, cannot associate the individual task with a Role, also. (8/04/99)

B- DROE Printout Truncation still exists (8/6/99 *)

B- Cannot print the Even pages of my notes. I contacted Tech Support and was told the Note Print template was incorrect. A fix would be forthcoming. (8/06/99)

B- PDTL Group Action: Completed tasks do not show up in the completed tasks window. Needed for 'unassigning' or correcting assignment. (8/9/1999 *?)

B- HotSync with Warnings: When HotSyncing, if you get a 'normal' completion of the HotSync with a warning message, the databases are NOT sychronized, except for the warning. I have one untimed (birthday) warning that kicks out as not being able to be deleted on the Palm when I sync with my work system following sync with my portable. The "computer overwrites palm" HotSync issues the warning on cannot delete, but the log says it "completed successfully". The ending condition is that the Palm data is correct HOWEVER the computer is 100% duplicates for the 1 month range. The next HotSync, both become 'duplicate corrupt' without any warnings. (8/9/99)

B- None of A97/FPO/FPS/FC Palm applications handle international date format settings for the computer correctly. Running FC programs on computers using international/military date formats causes data corruption. (8/9/99 * true of all A97 also)

B- Archive/Purge action on Recurring tasks seems to Change them to "incomplete". If the date range on the task spanned a boundary for the begin/end of the purge, the date range is not modified to eliminate the tasks in the purge range. This creates a HUGE problem if you have Autoforward Repeat/Recurring selected in PDTL option and an annoyance if not. User must manually adjust the range, PLUS go back and go re-complete tasks that were outside the archived/purged range. (S 8/9/99) Coe & Jon G

B- Prioritize Tasks function identifies uncompleted tasks and provides autoforward options. Selecting to autoforward all incompleted tasks does NOT forward any tasks. A warning message is then issued that there still exists incomplete tasks on prior days, do you want to proceed? (I said to autoforward, so there should not be any left on prior days that are not completed!) (8/10/99) Coe

B- PDTL Group Action: When manually forwarding a task that has been assigned as Delegated or In Progress, that status is retained on the date the task is forwarded to. When using the Group Action tool to forward, those assignments are lost. (8/11/99) Coe

B- In the address/phone module, the Find selection box does not work correctly when a filter is selected. If you type in letters for a name, and other items NOT in the filter start with the same characters, it interferes and the Find will not work on items IN the filter. I think this has been a problem for a long time. (8/11/99) John M.

B- Another bug related to Long Range Goals: In FPS, when a task that is associated with a Goal is moved to MTL, or a MTL task is moved to a task or appointment, it loses its association with the goal. It does behave correctly on the Palm, however. (8/18/99 Jim W)

B- W95 & W98 (NOT NT because mouseover is does not work correctly) In Monthly calendar view, if you select an appointment, then right click on it, as you move the mouse pointer down to options on the list ex. Delete appointment, if you have another appointment, special day, etc. on the day below or to the side of the one you're working on, that item pops and the right mouse selection list disappears. This one is very annoying. (8/26/99) Chris J Mouseover looks 'through' the dropdown menu and automatically selects appointments underneath. NEW,NEW piece found by Greg L. ; the mouseover will even look through another active application (hearts and/or Windows Explorer). Confirmed by Coe C. New Piece of this bug was found. Depressing INSERT when this happens causes the system to act like you depressed Alt-Tab once and released it, thus switching to your last previously used application. 10/16/99 Ian G.

B- Long Range Goals: Steps: Steps should not be re-listed when forwarded. Each time you forward a step it creates a new duplicate step in the LRGW. Step listing should be looking at Task Actions to determine if a step is forwarded and only list the last occurrence until complete. It appears that it is listing all task records from the database that have the associated LRG link set, no matter what the action is. (8/27/99) Coe

B- PDTL forwarding BROKE. Selecting prioritize issues notice of tasks over 30 days: select to autoforward all tasks - Nothing comes forward. Select Do not Autoforward - Prioritization quits! Uncompleted task on 4/16/99 REFUSES to autoforward no matter what the PDTL preferences are set to and no matter what selection you make when you try and prioritize either today, or on April 18. (9/19/99) Coe

B- When entering a new phone number on the Palm for FPS 7.1.x, the name will HotSync to the computer, but, the phone number does not. After the FIRST hot sync the Palm will still have the number, the computer will not. After the second Hot Sync the number will be wiped off the Palm, also. Bryce, Coe. 12/15/99

B- please remove ctrl-insert as an alias for 'add task'. The documented method is alt-insert key (although insert alone seems to do it also). ctrl-insert should just beep Wayne. 01/19/00

When editing a phone entry, control-S is documented to do SAVE-AND-CLOSE. In fact, what actually does is SAVE-DO-NOT-CLOSE-AND-CREATE-NEW-ENTRY Wayne M

The Archive Function only archives the DRoE data until the first carriage return in the entry. The rest of the DRoE is truncated, purged, and lost. (Greg L -I think) 2/17/00

The notes for the tasks in Master Task List in FPS were hanging! I quickly discovered that if I edited a note for one task in the MTL, the notes for all the other tasks (except one)would change to contain exactly the note I had just typed/edited. If I went to another task in the MTL to fix its note, then all the other tasks with notes (except one) would have THAT note. I further discovered that if I moved a task which contained a note from the Daily Task List to the MTL, all of the existing tasks with notes (except one)in the MTL would change so that all of their notes were identical to the one I just moved. 2/9/00 10:52:14 AM, Jay Plyler

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Bug List for 7.3 and earlier
From: Brooks Pistole <bsepistole@home.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:22:00 -0500

How does one tell from this bug list if there were any bugs introduced or made worse by FPS 7.3 and its associated hand held app versions? I'm still on 7.1.1 and am considering upgrading. This bug list seems to be exactly like the one on the official FC webboard, and is fairly old. Where are the more recent bugs listed, such as for the Dec 2000 hand held upgrades?

Brooks Pistole

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Bug List for 7.3 and earlier
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:57:00 -0500

First off... it is the same because we are the ones who created it. FC doesn't believe this is a good use of the tool, and will not officially support it. We started this list to bring to their attention issue in the software that were not being addressed.

As far as bugs in the new Palm apps, there really aren't any... only very annoying design flaws. Those are posted in both forums.

See this posting: http://us.comments.com/~FCProductsServices/read?1328,1451

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Bug List for 7.3 and earlier
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:50:00 -0500

Brooks;

If you read the intro carefully, you will find that it is current to 7.3 and tells what was fixed. If new stuff is found, you need to add a post to the end of the thread or for the Read-only sections post to the 'submit... ' group and I will move it over. I do not edit nor evaluate content, EXCEPT for TOS violations.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

**Not associated with Franklin Covey**
FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS (4.0-6.1/7.3(3/8)):'93
PPPro:'97 2MB/IR Upgrade '99, Palm IIIc:'00 FPO (1.1-1.4):'00 DayTracker/FPC:'00
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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product removed from FC web site
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:40:00 -0500

Someone anonymous posted on the FC board that FPS was no longer available in the shopping area; I took a look and couldn't find it.

Disappointed but not overly surprised.

Michael Strother 1996-2000: USRobotics PalmPilot 1000 & Ascend 5->'97
2000-?: Handspring Visor Deluxe & FPS 7.3
Work: Solution Developer, FirstMatter LLC
Offline: Hang gliding (Falcon 170,) mountain biking (StumpJumper)
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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product removed from FC web site
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:21:00 -0500

As I predicted many months ago!

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product removed from FC web site
From: Paul Heininger <pheininger@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:39:00 -0500

I have since removed the anonymous setting. I have looked for the product in stores afterwards and it is still available there. Justin has pointed out that it is still available in the November catalog.

Yes, Coe, I remember your predicting this (or possibly someone else must have) which is why when I saw it disappear, I posted the question.

What I did not say was that after some playing around in the download area on one occasion it appeared in the list on the web site. I repeated the experiments again and was not able to make it reappear again.

Paul Heininger

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product removed from FC web site
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:21:00 -0500

Odd. It's listed in FC's holiday catalog that I just got.

Michael Strother wrote:
>Someone anonymous posted on the FC board that FPS was no
>longer available in the shopping area; I took a look
>and couldn't find it. Disappointed but not overly surprised.
>Michael Strother
>
> 1996-2000:
>USRobotics PalmPilot 1000 &
>Ascend 5->'97
>
>2000-?: Handspring Visor
>Deluxe
> & FPS 7.3
>Work: Solution Developer,
> FirstMatter LLC
>Offline: Hang gliding (Falcon
>170,) mountain biking
> (StumpJumper)
>I retain the Copyright to all
>my posts and
> emails.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product removed from FC web site
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:25:00 -0500

As has been their OWN response to offering products that weren't ready (WinCE devices running FPO) in the catalogs, the lead time for catalogs gives them the opportunity to mess up/change their mind but not catch the catalog in time.

Paul
The Download area still had the FPS and Ascend upgrade/update pieces after the "new look" was implemented. The question is really, what is the REAL status of FPS in their product lineup and in support.

As another point:
Before the forum restructure they proudly and boldly stated that they continued and would continue - forever - to offer Technical and Product support for ALL prior versions of Ascend, even if not available for sale. (I have Lisa's posts if you doubt my memory [grin])

Where is the knowledge base and forum for Ascend 4/5/97/Mac4 support, now?

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product removed from FC web site
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:02:00 -0500

According to Justin tech support the FPS product has not been withdrawn. In all likelihood the product is simply missing from the online system. http://forums.franklincovey.com/~fps/read?47340,178

When providing links to other forums or conferences you must manually insert the conference ID (~fps). We'll see what his answer to Terry's question is. - FCPS Manager

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape
From: Paul Heininger <pheininger@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:11:00 -0500

Does anyone have any experience, information, knowledge or wisdom about using FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape together?

Paul Heininger

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:20:00 -0500

On 10/30/00 8:11:00 AM, Paul Heininger wrote:
>Does anyone have any
>experience, information,
>knowledge or wisdom about
>using FPS and Address Book
>Palm Sync by Netscape
>together?

Paul,

I tried to do this awhile ago with no success. My theory being that I could hotsync my FPS addresses to the Palm datebook. Then load the Netscape sync, hotsync (now my addressbook has both Netscape and FPS entries), and remove the Netscape conduit and go back to FPS. I would do this periodically and manually keep the two in sync.

This has become more important to me since I found fusionone.com. My home and work Netscape addressbooks are completely in sync using this free service.

If you try this let us know how it goes. I just don't have the time, actually I have ranked other activities with more importance, at this time.

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

My opinions expressed here, and in any public forum, are my own and do not represent those of my employer or the Department of Energy.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape
From: Rick Carter <rick.carter@umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:35:00 -0500

Anyone tried this with the new Netscape 6.0 yet?
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Rick Carter, Rick.Carter@umich.edu
SysAdmin, Physics Dept., University of Michigan
Ascend user since 4.0, FPS 7.3 user/Palm IIIXe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:49:00 -0500

I have had a problem with AOL/Netscape since Communicator 4.75 and up. I will only run and install 4.74 or lower on any system that I have my Palm installed on. It seems that Netscape decided that if you have a palm, they will redirect your conduit to the Communicator address book, WITHOUT ASKING.

They also mess up my mail conduit to OL2K.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape
From: Rick Carter <rick.carter@umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:49:00 -0500

Just curious -- this still happening in 4.78 or whatever the current is? How about 6.x? I'm holding off upgrading Netscape til I find out....

- Rick
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Rick Carter, Rick.Carter@umich.edu
SysAdmin, Physics Dept., University of Michigan
Ascend user since 4.0, FPS 7.3 user/Palm IIIXe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS and Address Book Palm Sync by Netscape
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:31:00 -0500

On 8/27/01 11:49:00 AM, Rick Carter wrote:
>Just curious -- this still
>happening in 4.78 or whatever
>the current is? How about
>6.x? I'm holding off
>upgrading Netscape til I find
>out....
>
>- Rick
>-----
>Rick Carter,
>Rick.Carter@umich.edu
>SysAdmin, Physics Dept.,
>University of Michigan
>Ascend user since 4.0, FPS 7.3
>user/Palm IIIXe

To my knowledge, yes and it is getting worse. AOL has started moves to be able to divorce AOL from MS IE.

Other nasties that the newer netscapes have are web activity tracking and automatic reporting back to mama (AOL) background 'tools'. You only THINK that answering the questions NO really disables it all!

Just try using the netscape home site with the following URL blocked (ad filter) or with JavaScript turned off!
http://ads.web.aol.com/file/adsWrapper.js

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product NOT removed from FC web site
From: Michael Strother <skyhop@optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:34:00 -0500

FPS is back in the shopping area, so evidently it was a technical glitch.

In the future I'll try to be a bit more objective in reporting stuff from the FPS site... :/

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: FPS product NOT removed from FC web site
From: Jim Simons <simons@montana.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:20:00 -0500

I'd put my money on a "test" to determine who would notice, how many would notice and the magnitude of concern - before I would bet on "accident".

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: I can sync Lotus Notes calendar w/FPS appt sch
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:23:00 -0500

Sorry for the long post but I've got ..

Great News
----------
I can now sync my Lotus Notes Calendar with my FPS Appointment Schedule, but unfortunately it may not be for everyone.

Background
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We use Citrix with SecureID for our remote access, but there is not a client for the palm. We kept searching for a solution and came upon XTND Connect from Extended Systems, Inc. Using XTND and SecureID pilot users can now get their email on the road. A side benefit of XTND is that it will sync the Notes Calendar with the pilot datebook. I just completed some testing and under the right circumstances my FPS Appointment Schedule and Lotus Notes calendar can be sync'd. Now for the bad news, if having to get XTND for your enterprise wasn't enough ...

Bad News
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- kind of kludgey as you have to do a hotsync / XTND / hotsync to get FPS to Notes and Notes back to FPS. I'm working on the exact timing of this and if anybody tries this please post your thoughts on this.
- you may not have an analog phone line at your desk. I plan to buy LincUp from BlackBox to do this.
- FPS Special Days and Recurring Appointments will duplicate each time you do a cycle so you have to get rid of all of them.
- Notes Anniversary will also duplicate each time you do a cycle so you can't use those either. On the second and subsequent cycles the Anniversary becomes an Event in Notes.
- Notes Events don't duplicate in the limited testing that I did so I plan to use Events for multiple day activities like a business trip or vacation. You can't, however, edit the Special Day in FPS or you will end up duplicates.
- Notes Reminders come across as an appointment with zero duration. I plan to use these as most of my special days and just have the time at midnight.
- You can enter appointments in FPS but no repeating or you will get duplicates.
- A Notes appointment comes across as an appointment.
- A Notes Meeting comes across as an appointment.
- A Notes Meeting/Appointment/Reminder with repeating comes across as separate events.
- Using R5 of Notes I scheduled a meeting with participants and a conference room. This type of meeting came across in FPS with a description of "- *** -". The good news is that the description for Notes Meetings/Appointments/Reminders come across as notes on the appointment in FPS.

Like I said, kind of kludgey and not for everyone, but finally a way to keep my Notes and FPS calendars in sync. Let me know what you think.

Hope this helps,

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

My opinions expressed here, and in any public forum, are my own and do not represent those of my employer or the Department of Energy. All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine and I retain the copyright.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: After further testing ...
From: Bob Baskerville <bbaskerville@kcp.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:23:00 -0500

Looks like the Special Days were duplicated but not in the manner I thought. A FPS Special Day was made into a Notes Event, with one occurrence for each of the years the Special Day was repeated. On the return cycle the original Special Day was in FPS along with all the singular events. If you don't delete the original Special Day with the span of years then this keeps happening. I think the same thing happens to recurring appointments. I'll do some cleanup and try again and I'll let you know the results.

Bob Baskerville
(Not associated with Franklin Covey)
Daily Planner - 90
Ascend for Mac - 93
Ascend 5 - 95
Ascend 97/Pilot III - 98
FPS - 99

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: After further testing ...
From: Max K <kossfamily@home.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:00:00 -0500

On 5/16/01 1:23:00 PM, Bob Baskerville wrote:

Bob, you're a brave, brave man. Good luck!

Max

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.4?
From: Ed King <edking@edking.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 14:34:00 -0500

I see that Franky has a 7.3.4 (up?)grade now available (6/21/01) but haven't seen any commentary about it here. Has this been just ignored by y'all as a waste of time or does it contain something worthwhile? I'm reluctant to make ANY change to Franky stuff without hearing other users' experiences - and the requirement for a HARD reset after install scares the daylights out of me after just having done one and STILL not being back to where I was before....

Thanks,
Ed

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.4?
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:45:00 -0500

On 7/8/01 2:34:00 PM, Ed King wrote:
>I see that Franky has a 7.3.4
>(up?)grade now available
>(6/21/01) but haven't seen any
>commentary about it here. Has
>this been just ignored by
>y'all as a waste of time or
>does it contain something
>worthwhile? I'm reluctant to
>make ANY change to Franky
>stuff without hearing other
>users' experiences - and the
>requirement for a HARD reset
>after install scares the
>daylights out of me after just
>having done one and STILL not
>being back to where I was
>before....
>
>Thanks,
> Ed
>

If you are currently using 7.3, and have no need for USB support then don't upgrade. There are a couple of new features in the software that do not work and will crash the application. As well as a couple of new bugs in old functionality.

Imagine that.

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.4?
From: Max K <kossfamily@home.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:48:00 -0500

On 7/10/01 6:45:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>There are a couple of new
>features in the software that do not
>work and will crash the application. As
>well as a couple of new bugs in old
>functionality.
>
>Imagine that.
>
>Terry Oplinger, Jr.
>Planner: '88
>Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
>FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
>OnTarget: 2.3
>Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III,
>IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS
>3.5.2)
>
>All ideas, words, phrases, and postings
>are implicitly mine. I retain the
>copyright to All posts... learn more
>here.

Terry - can you elaborate?

Max

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.4?
From: Ed King <edking@edking.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:07:00 -0500

Thanks for the info. Terry. The answer to the question was probably obvious considering that it's Franky ....

Again we have the "Those who forget history...." scenario.

Best,
Ed

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.5 ?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:54:00 -0500

Terry has posted on the other one that he got his hands on a 7.3.5 that fixes the date navigation error....

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.6 ?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:29:00 -0500

Someone else posted that they had a 7.3.6.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: 7.3.6 ?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:10:00 -0500

On 8/3/01 12:29:00 AM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>Someone else posted that they had a 7.3.6.
>

7.3.6 appeared on FC's download page earlier this week. Apparently the online distribution version 7.3.5.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Development agreement expired, maybe?
From: Rick Carter <rick.carter@umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:31:00 -0500

In the official board, I was realizing that not a change had been made to the planner.exe application since 3/2000 (I double-checked when someone challenged that assertion, and planner.exe with 7.3.6 is identical bit-for-bit with planner.exe with 7.3(.0).

With what is *not* getting answered these days, my suspicion is that FC isn't on developing terms with Axtech or whatever it's called now. Who knows why? Doesn't work out? Financial disagreements? Maybe Axtech wants more money, maybe FC wants to pay less, maybe FC forgot to or couldn't negotiate rights.

I believe, by reading between Justin's statements, that FC *is* developing the Palm apps internally. My read is that FC is saying "treat planner.exe as an untouchable black box, but repair anything else you can." That curve would sure explain the current data points.

Anyone heard anything that would support or refute my hypotheses?

- Rick
-----
Rick Carter, Rick.Carter@umich.edu
SysAdmin, Physics Dept., University of Michigan
Ascend user since 4.0, FPS 7.3.6 user/Palm IIIXe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Development agreement expired, maybe?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:45:00 -0500

On 9/7/01 8:31:00 AM, Rick Carter wrote:
>In the official board, I was
>realizing that not a change
>had been made to the
>planner.exe application since
>3/2000 (I double-checked when
>someone challenged that
>assertion, and planner.exe
>with 7.3.6 is identical
>bit-for-bit with planner.exe
>with 7.3(.0).
>
>With what is *not* getting
>answered these days, my
>suspicion is that FC isn't on
>developing terms with Axtech
>or whatever it's called now.
>Who knows why? Doesn't work
>out? Financial disagreements?
>Maybe Axtech wants more money,
>maybe FC wants to pay less,
>maybe FC forgot to or couldn't
>negotiate rights.
>
>I believe, by reading between
>Justin's statements, that FC
>*is* developing the Palm apps
>internally. My read is that
>FC is saying "treat
>planner.exe as an untouchable
>black box, but repair anything
>else you can." That curve
>would sure explain the current
>data points.

not necessarily. My impression has always been FC pays Axion for all development, including fixes. Don't ask for fixes, don't have to shell out money. For me, that explains why bug fixes are rarely forthcoming and are almost never timely.

But if you are correct and FC have painted themselves into a corner without legal access to the source code, then they have once again made fools of themselves.

>Anyone heard anything that would support or refute my hypotheses?

details sure would be nice.
>
>- Rick
>-----
>Rick Carter,
>Rick.Carter@umich.edu
>SysAdmin, Physics Dept.,
>University of Michigan
>Ascend user since 4.0, FPS
>7.3.6 user/Palm IIIXe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Development agreement expired, maybe?
From: Coe CWCJr <cwcjunior@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:04:00 -0500

On 9/7/01 8:45:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:

.......snip

I was just reviewing some history the other day and was reminded of just how deeply I had gotten into authorship and copyright battles when I had a 99/4A software business....

If you thoroughly read the AXT or KTPSG web site, and then look at the tables in the Ascend/FPS .mdb file, all the evidence is there. The evidence indicates that FC does NOT have the rights to the underlying program, or at least they DID not.

While just one opinion among many, I hope this information was helpful...
Coe

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Development agreement expired, maybe?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:48:00 -0500

On 9/12/01 9:04:00 PM, Coe CWCJr wrote:
>On 9/7/01 8:45:00 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>
>.......snip
>
>
>I was just reviewing some history the
>other day and was reminded of just how
>deeply I had gotten into authorship and
>copyright battles when I had a 99/4A
>software business....
>
>If you thoroughly read the AXT or KTPSG
>web site, and then look at the tables in
>the Ascend/FPS .mdb file, all the
>evidence is there. The evidence
>indicates that FC does NOT have the
>rights to the underlying program, or at
>least they DID not.
>
>
>While just one opinion among many, I
>hope this information was helpful...
>Coe
>
>
>**Not associated with Franklin Covey**
>FQ DayPlanner:'92 Ascend/FPS
>(4.0-6.1/7.3(3/8)):'93 PPPro:'97
>2MB/IR Upgrade '99, Palm IIIc:'00 FPO
>(1.1-1.4):'00 DayTracker/FPC:'00
>I can also be found hanging around the
>sites listed and hotlinked in my
>profile.
>I retain the Copyright to all my posts
>and emails. Copyright Myths exposed.

Yes, but external documents and agreements can alter the references you state.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Development agreement expired, maybe?
From: Terry Oplinger, Jr. <trojhome@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 07:51:00 -0500

So, maybe the time has come for us to begin petitioning them to release the product into FC's hands, or make time to update it.

It probably wouldn't help to have FC own it, but if nothing else we may learn more about the relationship between the two entities.

What do you think?

Terry Oplinger, Jr.
Planner: '88
Ascend: 4.0 thru '97 6.1c
FPS: 7.0 thru 7.3
OnTarget: 2.3
Palm: Since '96... 1000/5000/Pro, III, IIIx, IIIc, Handspring Visor Prism (OS 3.5.2)

All ideas, words, phrases, and postings are implicitly mine. I retain the copyright to All posts... learn more here.

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Newsgroups: fcps.FPS
Subject: Development agreement expired, maybe?
From: Wayne Mery <wsm0@lehigh.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:00:00 -0500

On 9/18/01 7:51:00 AM, Terry Oplinger, Jr. wrote:
>So, maybe the time has come
>for us to begin petitioning
>them to release the product
>into FC's hands, or make time
>to update it.
>
>It probably wouldn't help to
>have FC own it, but if nothing
>else we may learn more about
>the relationship between the
>two entities.
>
>What do you think?

I'm not normally a pessimistic person, but in the case of FC that's where all roads seem to lead. The idea that FC and Axiom could come to any useful agreement seems an impossibility, and optimism to me like pissing (up)wind.

What else can you think when you're looking at a 2 year software development cycle? FC are CONSTANTLY behind the 8-ball.

IMO the two (only two??) last great things that happened at FC was 1. the creation (and eventual relative stability) of the forums, which helped many people circumvent FC's attrocious tech support, 2. the fixing of some major printing problems.